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Today is a groundbreaking success and each one of the followings are historical turning points for us:

First, OUR RADAR is matured enough to lock to an aircraft from a flying jet

Second, OUR MISSILE is matured enough to engage an aircraft and eliminate it by getting signal from our radar

Third, OUR UAV (or unmanned combat aircraft should I say) is matured enough to use this combination

Congratulations to our engineers and every contributors and also to our great nation. We live in a times that none of us could even dream these days ten years ago.
 

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You are off by a factor of 10X.

A +2 second latency would put the sattelite on the moon at about 1-lightsecond distance (it varies between 360-405 kkm).

For a geostationary satellite at 36,000 km, the signal delay is about 240 milliseconds round-trip. You can add a few 10's of milliseconds due to processing. Which will put it below 300ms, this is barely playable latency when you play online real-time games but not the end of the world when you engage BVR.
Bro you are correct about what you are saying ; but only partially @Zafer is correct in the matter of extended latency.

The total up and down distance covered for the geosync satellite is around 76000km, resulting in a minimum theoretical one-way delay (latency) of about 250 milliseconds (a quarter of a second). For two-way communication like satellite internet, the signal has to travel back up to the satellite and back down to the ISP, making the total round-trip latency even longer, often between 500ms to 700ms in practice.

But it doesn’t stop there:

The audio and video signals go through multiple devices like switchers, encoders, decoders, and compression machines, each adding a small amount of processing delay as they prepare the signal for transmission. For high-quality video, this can involve significant buffering to ensure all packets line up correctly, which adds time. This can, with the initial half to 3/4 second latency, be as much as 2 seconds.

But it doesn’t stop there either when it comes to live broadcasts :

There is a further up to 6 seconds intentional delay introduced to the satellite signals by the broadcasters to allow them to intercept unwanted or embedded or transmitted signals reaching the viewers.
 

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The person who added Mehter Marşı to that should be fired. Also, barely anything more than what was released, just some masturbatory aid, nothing new about the actual test.

''How dare you use your own cultural and historic music genre''

Better than using some shitty techno beat.
 

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I think everyone would be on board. Baykar is known to test stuff rapidly in succession and they are a stubborn, competitive company.

Thank you Baykar for proving your worth one more time. Thank you Aselsan, TÜBİTAK SAGE.

This test is also another testament to the Turkish defense industry‘s ecosystem success.

On a lighter note, if this feat by Kızılelma saved or maybe restored some of Anıl Şahin’s credibility, so be it 😌
 
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One thing BAYKAR has made us accustomed to is that once their systems reach a certain number of flight test hours, other validation and performance tests follow one after another at lightning speed. One of the key factors behind Baykar's rise from among many traditional aviation giants to become the world's leading institution in the UAV market is that it has reached a position where it has virtually redefined global market standards in the process from project development to operational capability. We know that what we are seeing today is indeed the first air-to-air engagement by a UCAV, but the fact that these test images belong to BAYKAR shows everyone, regardless of their bias, that this system will reach operational capability in a very short time, perhaps within a few years.

Also, I must mention this: Contrary to the speculation that arose on social media at one point, it has become clear that the approximately one-year hiatus in the project was actually a period of intense engineering and testing activities. Frankly, one of the doubts I always had was whether KE's STOL Naval version would be ready when MUGEM was launched. I guess my worries were for nothing. :)

Nevertheless, my impartial opinion is that the motivation to eliminate the PR of a potential competitor may also be behind bringing forward this physical BVR firing test. Undoubtedly, KE test activities are at a much more mature stage, and moreover, it is highly unlikely that this system, which has a much broader mission envelope, would leave the lead in this field to its competitor. In particular, dozens more tests will be conducted on air-to-air missiles in different flight envelopes and scenarios. Experts on the subject can explain this better, but some of these munitions will be tested while the aircraft is flying at different altitudes and speeds and perhaps performing high-G maneuvers. There is also the issue of munitions release from internal weapon stations, which is one of the system's truly lethal capabilities and involves another complex engineering feat.

Despite everything, our current position is a source of pride. It has reaffirmed our belief that the Turkish Air Force will spread its steel wings wider than ever in the 2030s and will even become one of the leading air forces in the transformation of combat aviation. I sincerely thank every engineer, technician, air force member, bureaucrat, and company official who contributed to this historic achievement today. As our Great leader said, the future lies in the skies.
 

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Kızıelma UCAV engaged a BVR target with a completely national kill chain.
National IFF, national radar, national radar-missile datalink, national missile, and national RF seeker.

This is huge. The MIUS team used no shortcuts to achieve the first radar-guided BVR kill. This is a full kill chain in action here. This could have been done with just radar lock and a missile without IFF or data-link. It is even possible to use a missile in passive RF mode so that it can be guided to the target with radar illumination.
 
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When the same shot is fired from IWB while flying with the TF-10000 engine, this project will have truly achieved its goal. This is only the first step.
 

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When the same shot is fired from IWB while flying with the TF-10000 engine, this project will have truly achieved its goal. This is only the first step.
This is the easy part. KE is a subsonic aircraft releasing munitions from IWB at subsonic speeds, is child's play for our current level. TF-10000 is also a matter of time.


The next difficulty is data fusion. From what I heard, Baykar wants advanced data fusion on this aircraft with onboard data processing. Karat, FEWS, DAS, EOTS, MURAD, IFF,and various datalinks... In time, Baykar wants all of these to work in a structure similar to F-35. This will be a long march.
 

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This is the easy part. KE is a subsonic aircraft releasing munitions from IWB at subsonic speeds, is child's play for our current level. TF-10000 is also a matter of time.


The next difficulty is data fusion. From what I heard, Baykar wants advanced data fusion on this aircraft with onboard data processing. Karat, FEWS, DAS, EOTS, MURAD, IFF,and various datalinks... In time, Baykar wants all of these to work in a structure similar to F-35. This will be a long march.
I worry about the incompatibility of those companies. Baykar would want to move a lot faster than those are accustomed to. It's one thing to deliver a couple of subsytems to Baykar, even with the rushed timetables. But it's a completely different ballgame when it comes to joint development of a sensor fusion architecture.

I also wonder if there is an export model that is being planned. Because we'll need one if things continue along this path.
 

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When the same shot is fired from IWB while flying with the TF-10000 engine, this project will have truly achieved its goal. This is only the first step.
Current airframe supports either Karat + EOTS, or Karat and Murad-100 (mechanically, the nose structure has no space for all), and can't power Murad at high capacity ( data processing, transmitting and cooling ). Next airframe with Baykar's 20k TF engine will be the real deal with higher power generation. This is more or less a training and test platform, with experiments carried out. Next airframe will be remarkably larger and as far as i know, what TurAF truly desires.

This version (B) likely will become a product for low-end as a companion and export, while next airframe will be a standalone multi-role fighter replacement for simple tasks.
 

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The next difficulty is data fusion. From what I heard, Baykar wants advanced data fusion on this aircraft with onboard data processing. Karat, FEWS, DAS, EOTS, MURAD, IFF,and various datalinks... In time, Baykar wants all of these to work in a structure similar to F-35. This will be a long march.
For sensor fusion and threat assessment tasks, I predict they will use an AI model similar to the latest trend in AI: LLM's.
 

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I Wonder who pushed the button of the missile. Launch conducted From ground station or from wingmen f-16?
 

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I wonder if Baykar would or could consider an "empty" Kızılelma variant more in line with American Wingmen philosophy to get best of both worlds. Expensive autonomous fighter Kizilema and cheaper Özgür/Kaan controlled Wingmen Kızılelma from the same frame and assembly line.
 

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Current airframe supports either Karat + EOTS, or Karat and Murad-100 (mechanically, the nose structure has no space for all), and can't power Murad at high capacity ( data processing, transmitting and cooling ). Next airframe with Baykar's 20k TF engine will be the real deal with higher power generation. This is more or less a training and test platform, with experiments carried out. Next airframe will be remarkably larger and as far as i know, what TurAF truly desires.

This version (B) likely will become a product for low-end as a companion and export, while next airframe will be a standalone multi-role fighter replacement for simple tasks.
Any idea when we could see this bigger KE?
 

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I guess we should accept the fact that future upgrades to Kızılelma is inevitable...hard to talk about a mature or final product... operational KIZILELMA is an entrance to uncharted territory...

concerning the near future for now ı am curious about three issues

-what sort of assets for KIZILELMA will evolve for increasing survivability i.e self protection suits

-current and future Data link capabilties... for instance lets say what connection currently exists between a peace eagle and Kızılelma

-a future air refueiling capability
Air refueling capability, What will be EW capabilities of Murad 100?, RWR And supercurise with a new engine when you have time please
 
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