TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[TheInsider]

When the same shot is fired from IWB while flying with the TF-10000 engine, this project will have truly achieved its goal. This is only the first step.

This is the easy part. KE is a subsonic aircraft releasing munitions from IWB at subsonic speeds, is child's play for our current level. TF-10000 is also a matter of time.


The next difficulty is data fusion. From what I heard, Baykar wants advanced data fusion on this aircraft with onboard data processing. Karat, FEWS, DAS, EOTS, MURAD, IFF,and various datalinks... In time, Baykar wants all of these to work in a structure similar to F-35. This will be a long march.

 

[YeşilVatan]

This is the easy part. KE is a subsonic aircraft releasing munitions from IWB at subsonic speeds, is child's play for our current level. TF-10000 is also a matter of time.


The next difficulty is data fusion. From what I heard, Baykar wants advanced data fusion on this aircraft with onboard data processing. Karat, FEWS, DAS, EOTS, MURAD, IFF,and various datalinks... In time, Baykar wants all of these to work in a structure similar to F-35. This will be a long march.

I worry about the incompatibility of those companies. Baykar would want to move a lot faster than those are accustomed to. It's one thing to deliver a couple of subsytems to Baykar, even with the rushed timetables. But it's a completely different ballgame when it comes to joint development of a sensor fusion architecture.

I also wonder if there is an export model that is being planned. Because we'll need one if things continue along this path.

 

[Anmdt]

When the same shot is fired from IWB while flying with the TF-10000 engine, this project will have truly achieved its goal. This is only the first step.

Current airframe supports either Karat + EOTS, or Karat and Murad-100 (mechanically, the nose structure has no space for all), and can't power Murad at high capacity ( data processing, transmitting and cooling ). Next airframe with Baykar's 20k TF engine will be the real deal with higher power generation. This is more or less a training and test platform, with experiments carried out. Next airframe will be remarkably larger and as far as i know, what TurAF truly desires.

This version (B) likely will become a product for low-end as a companion and export, while next airframe will be a standalone multi-role fighter replacement for simple tasks.

 

[Merzifonlu]

The next difficulty is data fusion. From what I heard, Baykar wants advanced data fusion on this aircraft with onboard data processing. Karat, FEWS, DAS, EOTS, MURAD, IFF,and various datalinks... In time, Baykar wants all of these to work in a structure similar to F-35. This will be a long march.

For sensor fusion and threat assessment tasks, I predict they will use an AI model similar to the latest trend in AI: LLM's.

 

[UkroTurk]

I Wonder who pushed the button of the missile. Launch conducted From ground station or from wingmen f-16?

 

[MonteCarlo]

I wonder if Baykar would or could consider an "empty" Kızılelma variant more in line with American Wingmen philosophy to get best of both worlds. Expensive autonomous fighter Kizilema and cheaper Özgür/Kaan controlled Wingmen Kızılelma from the same frame and assembly line.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Current airframe supports either Karat + EOTS, or Karat and Murad-100 (mechanically, the nose structure has no space for all), and can't power Murad at high capacity ( data processing, transmitting and cooling ). Next airframe with Baykar's 20k TF engine will be the real deal with higher power generation. This is more or less a training and test platform, with experiments carried out. Next airframe will be remarkably larger and as far as i know, what TurAF truly desires.

This version (B) likely will become a product for low-end as a companion and export, while next airframe will be a standalone multi-role fighter replacement for simple tasks.

Any idea when we could see this bigger KE?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Any idea when we could see this bigger KE?

not before 2028 likely in early 2030

 

[Quasar]

I guess we should accept the fact that future upgrades to Kızılelma is inevitable...hard to talk about a mature or final product... operational KIZILELMA is an entrance to uncharted territory...

concerning the near future for now ı am curious about three issues

-what sort of assets for KIZILELMA will evolve for increasing survivability i.e self protection suits

-current and future Data link capabilties... for instance lets say what connection currently exists between a peace eagle and Kızılelma

-a future air refueiling capability

Air refueling capability, What will be EW capabilities of Murad 100?, RWR And supercurise with a new engine when you have time please

 

[YeşilVatan]

Speaking of possible upgrades, I guess the final for this plane would be its own loyal wingmen. Drones controlling drones lmao. If we can attach some kemankeş to the mini-kızılelma then it would be a drone controlled by a drone controlled by a drone. Droneception.

 

[Tornadoss]

29.11.2025

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Shouldn't surface need to be more smooth for stealth? Is it because it's just a prototype?

 

[Huelague]

Which airplane do we used as target?