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[YeşilVatan]

Speaking of possible upgrades, I guess the final for this plane would be its own loyal wingmen. Drones controlling drones lmao. If we can attach some kemankeş to the mini-kızılelma then it would be a drone controlled by a drone controlled by a drone. Droneception.

 

[Tornadoss]

29.11.2025

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Shouldn't surface need to be more smooth for stealth? Is it because it's just a prototype?

 

[Huelague]

Which airplane dI’d we use as target?

 

[Sanchez]

Which airplane dI’d we use as target?

Should be a Banshee.

 

[Kitra]

Bro you are correct about what you are saying ; but only partially @Zafer is correct in the matter of extended latency.

The total up and down distance covered for the geosync satellite is around 76000km, resulting in a minimum theoretical one-way delay (latency) of about 250 milliseconds (a quarter of a second). For two-way communication like satellite internet, the signal has to travel back up to the satellite and back down to the ISP, making the total round-trip latency even longer, often between 500ms to 700ms in practice.

But it doesn’t stop there:

The audio and video signals go through multiple devices like switchers, encoders, decoders, and compression machines, each adding a small amount of processing delay as they prepare the signal for transmission. For high-quality video, this can involve significant buffering to ensure all packets line up correctly, which adds time. This can, with the initial half to 3/4 second latency, be as much as 2 seconds.

But it doesn’t stop there either when it comes to live broadcasts :

There is a further up to 6 seconds intentional delay introduced to the satellite signals by the broadcasters to allow them to intercept unwanted or embedded or transmitted signals reaching the viewers.

Can kardeşim, latency is defined as the time it takes to send and receive a signal one time, not multiple times. If you do multiple round-trips (like drone>sat>controls>human>control>sat>drone as you describe) then you also have to include human reaction time, which could easily be in the 2 seconds domain in total.

Processing delays were already included in my comment, it is in the few 10's of ms for high speed imaging processing. Try it yourself by moving your hand fast in front of your phone (that contains your concerns like encoding/decoding) while taking a video. A delay of of 0.5s is easily seen as strange. I don't say that no equipment have 0.5-2 second processing delay but this is not the norm.

Also, intentional delays by commercial live broadcasts is completely irrelevant as they do it due be able to cut the potential tits you may see during livestream. That intentional delay can be anything from seconds to years (though we don't call it live when it is more than a few seconds). Honestly, I don't understand why both you and Zafer bring up intentional delays in a military topic.

 

[Zafer]

Can kardeşim, latency is defined as the time it takes to send and receive a signal one time, not multiple times. If you do multiple round-trips (like drone>sat>controls>human>control>sat>drone as you describe) then you also have to include human reaction time, which could easily be in the 2 seconds domain in total.

Processing delays were already included in my comment, it is in the few 10's of ms for high speed imaging processing. Try it yourself by moving your hand fast in front of your phone (that contains your concerns like encoding/decoding) while taking a video. A delay of of 0.5s is easily seen as strange. I don't say that no equipment have 0.5-2 second processing delay but this is not the norm.

Also, intentional delays by commercial live broadcasts is completely irrelevant as they do it due be able to cut the potential tits you may see during livestream. That intentional delay can be anything from seconds to years (though we don't call it live when it is more than a few seconds). Honestly, I don't understand why both you and Zafer bring up intentional delays in a military topic.

I didn't bring up intentional delays, but when I checked again the tv broadcasts I see a 5 second delay including the human reaction time between the two reliable partners that does not need intentionals delay to be introduced. The 2 second delay thing I am convinced will linger longer than one wishes to think.

 

[begturan]

Friends, what have we done as Turkiye? This event encompasses so many firsts; we have quietly gained significant capabilities. Many people don't mention it, but the Akıncı aircraft, equipped with an AESA radar in its nose, was also quietly produced and entered the inventory in significant numbers.

Both Akıncı and Kızılelma have now provided the Turkish Air Force with significant capabilities in protecting our airspace. They have the potential to accomplish a wide range of missions, including high risk ones.

Now you can rejoice with peace of mind, friends, rejoice because we deserve it!

 

[Kitra]

We can still see latency of around 2 seconds during intercontinental TV broadcasts while not as much as it was five years ago. Probably summarized data will travel faster. By the way I was a licensed marine radio-electronic operator in the past and I know radio communication has a lot to do with power electronics unlike home connections, unless things have changed drastically recently which I doubt. Not all intercontinental communication goes over satellite, alot of it goes through ocean cables one should take notice.

* Broadcasting does a lot of things other than just send the signal point-to-point. It could go through multiple sats to go to the other side of earth. This is not relevant.

* power electronics duty is to supply the needed power. The power levels can be anything from mW to kW. This is not related to latency.

* "summarized data will travel faster"
I have no idea what that even could mean.

* I don't understand why under seas communication is relevant to the subject.

Anyway, you can have 2 seconds and more total reaction time if you are including the human in the following scenario; drone > sat > ground control > HUMAN > ground control > sat > drone.

I think this is what you are trying to describe.

 

[Zafer]

* I don't understand why under seas communication is relevant to the subject.

Because you asked me to test my home connection which maybe going through undersea and not through satellite

I have no idea what that even could mean.

Under full resolution image or already onboard processed data with rather than raw data

 

[Yasar_TR]

latency is defined as the time it takes to send and receive a signal one time, not multiple times.

According to GCSE Physics and Computer Science specifications,

signal latency is defined as the time delay between a signal being sent from one point (e.g., a transmitter) and when it is received at another point (e.g., a receiver).
Most times a signal may hop several times to reach its destination, especially if the destination is on the other side of earth.

Signal latency in physics is not specific to a single "hop" (a single segment of a journey) but is a cumulative measurement over the entire path the signal travels. The total latency of a signal is the sum of the delays incurred at each stage of its journey.

 

[Quasar]

''drone>sat>controls>human>control>sat>drone''

I guess we should not just focus on signal delays but also the fact that KIZILELMA is a fast and maneuvering object. Therefore, not just delay but satcom signal interruptions is almost inevitable.... i.e there can/will be possibly delayed intervals of communication not a constant one.

Human role is confined to pre authorizations and updating mission parameters not a constant control... Rest will be/ should be done by KIZILELMA autonomously.

in the case of manned unmanned teaming it may potenially require more data exchange

 

[Anmdt]

''drone>sat>controls>human>control>sat>drone''

I guess we should not just focus on signal delays but also the fact that KIZILELMA is a fast and maneuvering object. Therefore, not just delay but satcom signal interruptions is almost inevitable.... i.e there can/will be possibly delayed intervals of communication not a constant one.

Human role is confined to pre authorizations and updating mission parameters not a constant control... Rest will be/ should be done by KIZILELMA autonomously.

in the case of manned unmanned teaming it may potenially require more data exchange

We should also keep in mind that information doesn't just bounce off the relay points. So it is;
drone - data processing - encryption - sat - data processing - ground - decryption - data processing & visualization - operator - interface and ditto to drone.
This is as whole more than 'just few seconds' of delay. Not a big deal for BVR missions with mission data sets, imo.

 

[uçuyorum]

We should also keep in mind that information doesn't just bounce off the relay points. So it is;
drone - data processing - encryption - sat - data processing - ground - decryption - data processing & visualization - operator - interface and ditto to drone.
This is as whole more than 'just few seconds' of delay. Not a big deal for BVR missions with mission data sets, imo.

Line of sight should be more feasible

 

[Quasar]

Line of sight should be more feasible

in the case of manned unmanned teaming as you stated data links operates within the line-of-sight....therefore, in fact there is no fixed value for the range of data link.... Altitude, Terrain and Atmosphere are also effecting factors.

More importantly, if KIZILELMA and ANKA 3.... KAAN are low observable and we want to focus on it further our data link should evolve accordingly as well i.e as a part of low observablty concept we may need to use low probability of intercept (LPI) datalinks eventually.

as we all know, funy thing is until recently F35 and F 22 could not share data with each other but only with their kinds. İt was a huge handicap.

Therefore, commonality and applicability of (LPI) datalinks to your assets is vital as well.

perfect is the enemy of good... may be I have very high expectations

 

[Oublious]

Turkish Drone Makes History with First BVR Air to Air Missile Shot​

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Please, I want a dual engine version with 2x AI 322F or 2x TF 10000. It must be able to keep up with TAI KAAN and Eurofighter/F-16 Özgür II in a joint battle against the enemy.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Turkey’s Fighter-Like Kizilelma Drone Shot Down Aerial Target With Radar-Guided Missile

The Kizilelma appears to be the first advanced drone to launch a radar-guided air-to-air missile, but details of how the engagement took place are scarce. The Kizilelma appears to be the first UCAV to launch a radar-guided air-to-air missile, but details of how the engagement took place are scarce.

www.twz.com

 

[Quasar]

initial demand can be satisfied with TF 10000.

BAYKAR can provide budget to TEI and sign a contract to develop a new engine for future models of KIZILELMA (which can be used in other platforms and which can also appeal to international interest as well) and even may get some work share in engine development and production insted of working with Ukrainians to establish an infrastruce for engine production.....

or we can chiose to believe that TF 6000 TF 10000 and TF 35000 are decided faith for us by God and We Turks will not develop another Turbo fan engine till the judgment day since they are heavenly perfect for all our future needs and all future platforms till the end of time.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Russia Mounts Soviet-Era R-60 Missiles on Geran-2 UAVs | TURDEF

Footage from a Ukrainian interceptor UAV and the wreckage shows that Russia has started integrating the R-60 air-to-air missiles on its Geran-2 kamikaze UAVs.

turdef.com

If this even manages to acquire and shoot down a helicopter or crop duster, I will start making a call for SÜPER ŞİMŞEK with a pair of SUNGUR missiles

 

[Nutuk]

or we can chiose to believe that TF 6000 TF 10000 and TF 35000 are decided faith for us by God and We Turks will not develop another Turbo fan engine till the judgment day since they are heavenly perfect for all our future needs and all future platforms till the end of time.

Yes, matter of fact we do choose that. We did choose the same for our microjet engines of Kale, which are now one of the best in the market.

Why this ezik insecurity bro?