TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[TheInsider]

When the same shot is fired from IWB while flying with the TF-10000 engine, this project will have truly achieved its goal. This is only the first step.

This is the easy part. KE is a subsonic aircraft releasing munitions from IWB at subsonic speeds, is child's play for our current level. TF-10000 is also a matter of time.


The next difficulty is data fusion. From what I heard, Baykar wants advanced data fusion on this aircraft with onboard data processing. Karat, FEWS, DAS, EOTS, MURAD, IFF,and various datalinks... In time, Baykar wants all of these to work in a structure similar to F-35. This will be a long march.

 

[YeşilVatan]

This is the easy part. KE is a subsonic aircraft releasing munitions from IWB at subsonic speeds, is child's play for our current level. TF-10000 is also a matter of time.


The next difficulty is data fusion. From what I heard, Baykar wants advanced data fusion on this aircraft with onboard data processing. Karat, FEWS, DAS, EOTS, MURAD, IFF,and various datalinks... In time, Baykar wants all of these to work in a structure similar to F-35. This will be a long march.

I worry about the incompatibility of those companies. Baykar would want to move a lot faster than those are accustomed to. It's one thing to deliver a couple of subsytems to Baykar, even with the rushed timetables. But it's a completely different ballgame when it comes to joint development of a sensor fusion architecture.

I also wonder if there is an export model that is being planned. Because we'll need one if things continue along this path.

 

[Anmdt]

When the same shot is fired from IWB while flying with the TF-10000 engine, this project will have truly achieved its goal. This is only the first step.

Current airframe supports either Karat + EOTS, or Karat and Murad-100 (mechanically, the nose structure has no space for all), and can't power Murad at high capacity ( data processing, transmitting and cooling ). Next airframe with Baykar's 20k TF engine will be the real deal with higher power generation. This is more or less a training and test platform, with experiments carried out. Next airframe will be remarkably larger and as far as i know, what TurAF truly desires.

This version (B) likely will become a product for low-end as a companion and export, while next airframe will be a standalone multi-role fighter replacement for simple tasks.

 

[Merzifonlu]

The next difficulty is data fusion. From what I heard, Baykar wants advanced data fusion on this aircraft with onboard data processing. Karat, FEWS, DAS, EOTS, MURAD, IFF,and various datalinks... In time, Baykar wants all of these to work in a structure similar to F-35. This will be a long march.

For sensor fusion and threat assessment tasks, I predict they will use an AI model similar to the latest trend in AI: LLM's.

 

[UkroTurk]

I Wonder who pushed the button of the missile. Launch conducted From ground station or from wingmen f-16?

 

[MonteCarlo]

I wonder if Baykar would or could consider an "empty" Kızılelma variant more in line with American Wingmen philosophy to get best of both worlds. Expensive autonomous fighter Kizilema and cheaper Özgür/Kaan controlled Wingmen Kızılelma from the same frame and assembly line.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Current airframe supports either Karat + EOTS, or Karat and Murad-100 (mechanically, the nose structure has no space for all), and can't power Murad at high capacity ( data processing, transmitting and cooling ). Next airframe with Baykar's 20k TF engine will be the real deal with higher power generation. This is more or less a training and test platform, with experiments carried out. Next airframe will be remarkably larger and as far as i know, what TurAF truly desires.

This version (B) likely will become a product for low-end as a companion and export, while next airframe will be a standalone multi-role fighter replacement for simple tasks.

Any idea when we could see this bigger KE?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Any idea when we could see this bigger KE?

not before 2028 likely in early 2030

 

[Quasar]

I guess we should accept the fact that future upgrades to Kızılelma is inevitable...hard to talk about a mature or final product... operational KIZILELMA is an entrance to uncharted territory...

concerning the near future for now ı am curious about three issues

-what sort of assets for KIZILELMA will evolve for increasing survivability i.e self protection suits

-current and future Data link capabilties... for instance lets say what connection currently exists between a peace eagle and Kızılelma

-a future air refueiling capability

Air refueling capability, What will be EW capabilities of Murad 100?, RWR And supercurise with a new engine when you have time please

 

[YeşilVatan]

Speaking of possible upgrades, I guess the final for this plane would be its own loyal wingmen. Drones controlling drones lmao. If we can attach some kemankeş to the mini-kızılelma then it would be a drone controlled by a drone controlled by a drone. Droneception.

 

[Tornadoss]

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Shouldn't surface need to be more smooth for stealth? Is it because it's just a prototype?

 

[Huelague]

Which airplane dI’d we use as target?

 

[Sanchez]

Which airplane dI’d we use as target?

Should be a Banshee.

 

[Strong AI]

Shouldn't surface need to be more smooth for stealth? Is it because it's just a prototype?

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I don't want to be overly critical. Aselsan makes excellent subsystems. but the build quality of the airframe itself needs to be improved by Baykar. To the level you see with TAI's KAAN prototype.

Eh, it's Baykar mate, I would reserve judgement until we see an actual serial production model if I were you. They've always been "move fast and break things" kind of prototype builders. Even now, these latest prototypes have improved compared to earlier ones.

 

[Kitra]

Bro you are correct about what you are saying ; but only partially @Zafer is correct in the matter of extended latency.

The total up and down distance covered for the geosync satellite is around 76000km, resulting in a minimum theoretical one-way delay (latency) of about 250 milliseconds (a quarter of a second). For two-way communication like satellite internet, the signal has to travel back up to the satellite and back down to the ISP, making the total round-trip latency even longer, often between 500ms to 700ms in practice.

But it doesn’t stop there:

The audio and video signals go through multiple devices like switchers, encoders, decoders, and compression machines, each adding a small amount of processing delay as they prepare the signal for transmission. For high-quality video, this can involve significant buffering to ensure all packets line up correctly, which adds time. This can, with the initial half to 3/4 second latency, be as much as 2 seconds.

But it doesn’t stop there either when it comes to live broadcasts :

There is a further up to 6 seconds intentional delay introduced to the satellite signals by the broadcasters to allow them to intercept unwanted or embedded or transmitted signals reaching the viewers.

Can kardeşim, latency is defined as the time it takes to send and receive a signal one time, not multiple times. If you do multiple round-trips (like drone>sat>controls>human>control>sat>drone as you describe) then you also have to include human reaction time, which could easily be in the 2 seconds domain in total.

Processing delays were already included in my comment, it is in the few 10's of ms for high speed imaging processing. Try it yourself by moving your hand fast in front of your phone (that contains your concerns like encoding/decoding) while taking a video. A delay of of 0.5s is easily seen as strange. I don't say that no equipment have 0.5-2 second processing delay but this is not the norm.

Also, intentional delays by commercial live broadcasts is completely irrelevant as they do it due be able to cut the potential tits you may see during livestream. That intentional delay can be anything from seconds to years (though we don't call it live when it is more than a few seconds). Honestly, I don't understand why both you and Zafer bring up intentional delays in a military topic.

 

[Zafer]

Can kardeşim, latency is defined as the time it takes to send and receive a signal one time, not multiple times. If you do multiple round-trips (like drone>sat>controls>human>control>sat>drone as you describe) then you also have to include human reaction time, which could easily be in the 2 seconds domain in total.

Processing delays were already included in my comment, it is in the few 10's of ms for high speed imaging processing. Try it yourself by moving your hand fast in front of your phone (that contains your concerns like encoding/decoding) while taking a video. A delay of of 0.5s is easily seen as strange. I don't say that no equipment have 0.5-2 second processing delay but this is not the norm.

Also, intentional delays by commercial live broadcasts is completely irrelevant as they do it due be able to cut the potential tits you may see during livestream. That intentional delay can be anything from seconds to years (though we don't call it live when it is more than a few seconds). Honestly, I don't understand why both you and Zafer bring up intentional delays in a military topic.

I didn't bring up intentional delays, but when I checked again the tv broadcasts I see a 5 second delay including the human reaction time between the two reliable partners that does not need intentionals delay to be introduced. The 2 second delay thing I am convinced will linger longer than one wishes to think.

 

[begturan]

Friends, what have we done as Turkiye? This event encompasses so many firsts; we have quietly gained significant capabilities. Many people don't mention it, but the Akıncı aircraft, equipped with an AESA radar in its nose, was also quietly produced and entered the inventory in significant numbers.

Both Akıncı and Kızılelma have now provided the Turkish Air Force with significant capabilities in protecting our airspace. They have the potential to accomplish a wide range of missions, including high risk ones.

Now you can rejoice with peace of mind, friends, rejoice because we deserve it!

 

[Kitra]

We can still see latency of around 2 seconds during intercontinental TV broadcasts while not as much as it was five years ago. Probably summarized data will travel faster. By the way I was a licensed marine radio-electronic operator in the past and I know radio communication has a lot to do with power electronics unlike home connections, unless things have changed drastically recently which I doubt. Not all intercontinental communication goes over satellite, alot of it goes through ocean cables one should take notice.

* Broadcasting does a lot of things other than just send the signal point-to-point. It could go through multiple sats to go to the other side of earth. This is not relevant.

* power electronics duty is to supply the needed power. The power levels can be anything from mW to kW. This is not related to latency.

* "summarized data will travel faster"
I have no idea what that even could mean.

* I don't understand why under seas communication is relevant to the subject.

Anyway, you can have 2 seconds and more total reaction time if you are including the human in the following scenario; drone > sat > ground control > HUMAN > ground control > sat > drone.

I think this is what you are trying to describe.

 

[Zafer]

* I don't understand why under seas communication is relevant to the subject.

Because you asked me to test my home connection which maybe going through undersea and not through satellite

I have no idea what that even could mean.

Under full resolution image or already onboard processed data with rather than raw data