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LOL, EMALS on carriers requires 60 Mw of power to function, they gonna be carrying a mini nuclear reactor to power that?

Also whats even the point since those UCAVs need airfield to land anyway.
the launch support would only last for about 2 seconds, so the required energy is about 30 kWh with your number. This seems doable when your typical EV have about 100 kWh and can deliver 1MW (e.g. some BYD models). For extra umph, you can add some capacitor banks and parallel connect 10 EV batteries, and still be within 1-2 m3 volume.

I also think your power requirement at 60MW is for +30-ton fully armed fighters, while a usable drone can be 1 to 10 tons. So, power will most likely be a lot less. For reference, a 10 x standard EV batteries can deliver +10 MW continuously and a lot more in bursts. So, even 60MW bursts are not outside the reasonable domain for a custom-designed blade battery pack (the same style that you use to jump-start your car).

The obvious use case for this would be additional payload for a normal drone delivered close to the target. The drone can always land in an airfield far away. However, I'm still not sure about the concept as it looks very funky but not undoable from physics point-of-view. For example, you would need additional hardware to get the drone up that ramp.

Something that launches a large drone from one launcher, would be more interesting. There probably even exist, but I have only seen smaller drones launched this way.

As a side note, I think development is ongoing to use similar technologies to launch rockets/missiles instead of cold lunch with compressed gas.
 

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IMHO Chinese ground based EMALS will be used to launch drones similar to Kratos MQ-58 Valkyrie. A small crane can lift the UCAV and put it on EMALS without a problem. I would be very surprised if Chinese launch anything heavier than 4000kg.
 

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Kaan is ~ 27.000 kg
Hürjet is ~ 12.000 kg
Kızılelma is ~ 8.500 kg
Anka3 is ~ 7.000 kg (?)

Anything less than Kaan is a relatively easy object to EMALS launch.
 

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Baykar wants to have in-house datalinks because
1) They design their own avionics accordingly.
2) They have their own plans/performance goals for their assets that require datalinks tailored to match those goals. If you want to develop an unmanned fighter that can operate autonomously and create an autonomous wing from unmanned fighters, you want a datalink precisely optimized for that need. Aselsan's IVDL is in development in the scope of MMU project for the needs of KAAN. Aselsan will probably modify IVDL in line with Baykar's performance goals of unmanned fighter and wing autonomy if Aselsans IVDL is to be used on KE. Baykar used outsourced datalinks for TB2 and Akıncı in the past, but switched to in-house datalinks after sometime and has the best experience with in house datalinks.


-The performance of a datalink does not depend on being designed exclusively for a single platform. On the contrary, They are for an entire network-centric warfare ecosystem, which should allow adaptation to multiple platforms… this is their essence

-Autonomy or performance goals of KIzılema depends more on mission computers and AI than on the datalink itself as we all clearly know I.e Mission computers, Sensor fusion… Decision making algorithms and library...

-In your argument where you try to imply “a dedicated datalink is mandatory for autonomous wings” is quite weak the real differentiation is in highe level software and autonomy architecture….

-ASELSAN’s architecture (calling ASELSAN ICNAIR-IVDL just a stealth communication would be an injustice, it is a stealth networking ) is not a fixed solution or KAAN only solution and open to Platform specific optimization again a very clear and simple example F 35 and B 21 will use the same directional data link i.e (MADL)

-More importantly RELAY CAPABILITY stated in ASELSAN ICNAIR-IVDL is the most clear indication for MUM-T and Collaborative Combat Aircraft concepts..... KAAN is Decision node - sensor fusion - command authority, KIZILELMA is High performance Forward sensor + shooter + forward relay CCA and ANKA 3 is Low RCS long endurance CCA.

-KAAN will not only receive and provide data to KIZILELMA & ANKA 3 but also be able to use KIZILELMA & ANKA 3 as a relay/proxy to receive data from non stealth platforms ( F-16, EF, AEW&C (Peace Eagle & Umanned AEWs , surface ships, ground radars........) under ICNAIR-IVDL control, without compromising KAAN’s stealth. We should not confuse Autonomy with Isolation!

-A sperate data link only results in additional crypto and interface layers and Increased operational complexity for instance F 22 (IFDL) and F 35 (MADL).

-A very clear distinction between TB2, TB3, Akıncı and KIZILELMA is only KIZILELMA is considered for MUM-T with KAAN.

-Needless to say, SATCOM ( between distant and non LOS asset and control center) and individual data links (point to point) are control links between a UAV and a control center (TB2,TB3, AKINCI, ANKA, ANKA S,AKSUNGUR)....Network data links (AZRA, T-LINK, ASELSAN ICNAIR-IVDL ) are fundamentally different in architecture and purpose.... yet SATCOM can be integrated into a network (Data link 16, Azra, T-link) as well via gateway or relay nodes (for instance an AWACS platform, a ground-based C2 center, a naval platform, or a dedicated relay node) ...... not in direct combat coordination role... but as a supporting layer for instance Common Operational Picture, track data, identification......

-KIZILELMA can employ SATCOM (communality not be required), AZRA/T-LINK (communality required), and ICNAIR-IVDL (communality required) simultaneously in a dynamicly adaptive manner since each link is assigned to clearly differentiated functional roles.

-In the context of MUM-T involving low-observable (LO) platforms, ASELSAN ICNAIR-IVDL constitutes the essential secure, directional, low-observable combat networking backbone with distributed relay capability, while AZRA and T-LINK enable coordination and interoperability between KAAN and non-stealth platforms without compromising KAAN’s low-observable signature. Even with the inclusion of platforms like Hürjet, F-16, and Eurofighter Typhoon into the MUM-T construct, ICNAIR-IVDL will/may remain vital as the dedicated LPI/LPD (low probability of intercept / low probability of detection) network for communications among KIZILELMA platforms and between KIZILELMA and ANKA-3.
 
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The future of Turkish aviation 🥹🇹🇷
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This footage also all but confirms what I've been thinking. Kızılelma can't run Murad and Karat at the same time, nose section is too small to fit both. Wonder if same applies to Murad-Toygun.
Let one fly with karat and other with murad+toygun.. this is why they have wingman right 😀
 

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This footage also all but confirms what I've been thinking. Kızılelma can't run Murad and Karat at the same time, nose section is too small to fit both. Wonder if same applies to Murad-Toygun.
They tested wingman flight the other day. One can fly with Karat other 3 can fly Murad + Toygun. Usual formation of 4 can accommodate these kind of payloads. Many other kind of payloads is Also possible. Baykar's engineers imagination is our limit.
 

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If not just yet they will probably fly with Karat and Murad in the future, a little optimizatlon/miniaturization will get you there.
 

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from 1:01 they showed the IRST, and what can we understand from that image?
There is a "thing" over there. Karat can see and track it, determine the elevation angle and direction (azimuth) of the "thing", precisely. Some blurred numbers at that screen should include it.

Also, before and after the 1:01, we see some little manuevers. I am not sure they show these manuevres because of this, but Karat can determine the distance from the thing by slightly changes its course or moves to observe it from different angles. The computer "estimates" the distance by performing trigonometric calculations based on the angular rate of change of the thing. Not precisely this time, but approximately, even statistically (I just oversimplified, it is not that simple of course, there are some additional variables about this process) . So there should be some information about it in blurred areas also.

These are my points. We have people here who have much more knowledge about it. If they share their views, I could sure use it, too.
 
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