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The two guys who run Oryx have more military knowledge than the entire Russian MoD.Oryx
if leopard 2s in syria got destroyed by soviet ATGMs and M1a2S by yemen rebels as well, I think western tanks will have their turn next, but I give credit to the Germans because they are the smart ones waiting for Abrams to be supplied 1st before they supply their leopardsNot all tank turret blew up easly like T-series.
The crew survive, no need to train/ replenish from the other branch.All I see is an intact M1A1 and lots of dust
M1a2S looks like M1a1? What about this one?All I see is an intact M1A1 and lots of dust
I've long said that I think Turkey should send 100 upgraded M60A3 Pattons to Ukraine. Germany (financed through 3rd party countries that don't have tanks to send) should then backfill Turkey with 30-50 Leopard 2's (in a swap), as long as the Turks are willing to wait a year or so for them to be refurbished from German storage.say? 
Ukraine's gun artillery is basically a military fanboy f*p material... sorted from the most advanced
1. RCH 155 -18 (tbd)

2. Panzerhaubitze 2000 (18 +100 Tbd)

3. AHS Krab (18 + 54 Tbd)

5. ARCHER (12 tbd)

6. CAESAR 6x6/8x8 (18 +6 +18 tbd)

7. Dana M2 (30)

8. Zuzana 2 (24)

9. M109A6 (18 Tbd)

10. M109A3GN/ A5OE/ A4BE ( 23 + 6 + 20tbd)

11. AS90 (30 Tbd)

You can add 18 more M109A6 Paladins, which America will announ tomorrow. Also, there is, approximately, 130 M777's left in their
Nothing on the battlefield is invincible. Not even close. But the Abrams is an enormous upgrade (range, sensors, systems) than the MBTs Ukraine currently has. Russia's most common MBT is the T-72. That makes up the majority of the tanks they're using in Ukraine. Abrams outranges all models of the T-72 by a substantial margin. That alone is a significant upgrade.M1a2S looks like M1a1? What about this one?
Why Houthi rebels are kicking the crap out of the world's best tank
The M1A2 Abrams is arguably one of the best (if not the best) tank systems in the world today. It's the main battle tank of the United States, along withwww.wearethemighty.com
Unless the M1a2s given to Ukraine will use Israeli APS systems?
Virtually all Russian victories were in first 2 weeks of the war, when they cowardly sneak attacked unmobilized Ukraine. Since then Russia LOST much more territories than gained.I am going to be a broken record at this rate because some here just want to stick with a delusional ghost of kyiv or babushka shooting down russian aircraft with jar of pickles sources so I will go do this again for you even though its going to get memoryholed by you and many seething users here.
https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/ how can you claim to be rambo if a smaller force is pushing you back and they still are? Do you have a room temperature IQ to believe that Wagner lost 30k of 40k soldiers without asking for reinforcements to regoup to immediately attack in all directions or no?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/ when western journos interview ukraine in the September offensives of them pushing the Russian's back this is what they had to say.
“We lost five people for every one they did,” said Ihor, a 30-year-old platoon commander who injured his back when the tank he was riding in crashed into a ditch.
Oleksandr said the Russian artillery fire was relentless. “They were just hitting us all the time,” he said. “If we fire three mortars, they fire 20 in return.”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HTj4avo3F0HM/ "0:36 We are tankmen god damn it! We were 30 something tanks, barely 7 remains."
I get it that pro-Ukraine users will listen to pro-ukraine sources, but how come pro-ukraine users dont want to listen to Pro-ukraine soldiers talking about the conflict assuming anyone here even gives a shit about Ukraine winning?
I will pretend with you that Ukraine did lose 2000 tanks and the Russians lost 5 times the amount (although there are many contradictions to this.) Why switch to western tanks? Can't be out of ammunition excuse because
1. soviet tanks have been modified to use soviet ammunition and its already dead obvious that NATO supplied and trained Ukrainian troops for 8 yearshttp://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1188.html (considering post-soviet block nations don't like Russia more than likely all their soviet tanks have been modified to use NATO ammunition when becoming a part of NATO)
2.they had an entire year to have been supplied with western equipment in case so called ammo shortages did happen.
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this source was from february 2, 2022 highlighting Ukraine's equipment before of course they started getting a shitload of more tanks from the middle east and post soviet block countries. but requesting strykers, canadian armoured vehciles, bradleys, abrams, challengers, leopards more armoured vehicles, etc usually you dont go requesting all this shit a year later than prior to the war unless some country is reducing the shit out of the equipment you were using in the war, these numbers are already higher than what Oryx claims as their own tank losses.
I hope you read this because I think you are really invested Ukraine will win and if they don't, i don't know if this will make you fall into a state of depression to start drinking or hopefully not tie a noose to a tree.
You can add an additional 18 M109A6 Paladins the that list. USA will likely announce them tomorrow, bringing the total they've committed to 36. Also, while not self propelled, the 120-130'ish M777s and the 20-30 FH70's that Ukraine has left in their inventory (after some were destroyed) are also no joke. Especially when they're equipped with GPS guided rounds such as Excalibur. Both systems are plenty capable in a defensive role, despite lacking the mobility of the self-propelled systems.Ukraine's gun artillery is basically a military fanboy f*p material... sorted from the most advanced
1. RCH 155 -18 (tbd)
2. Panzerhaubitze 2000 (18 +100 Tbd)
3. AHS Krab (18 + 54 Tbd)
5. ARCHER (12 tbd)
6. CAESAR 6x6/8x8 (18 +6 +18 tbd)
7. Dana M2 (30)
8. Zuzana 2 (24)
9. M109A6 (18 Tbd)
10. M109A3GN/ A5OE/ A4BE ( 23 + 6 + 20tbd)
11. AS90 (30 Tbd)
You can add an additional 18 M109A6 Paladins the that list. USA will likely announce them tomorrow, bringing the total they've committed to 36. Also, while not self propelled, the 120-130'ish M777s and the 20-30 FH70's that Ukraine has left in their inventory (after some were destroyed) are also no joke. Especially when they're equipped with GPS guided rounds such as Excalibur. Both systems are plenty capable in a defensive role, despite lacking the mobility of the self-propelled systems.
Back in Feb22 Russians had a 300k strong armed forces consisting mostly of land forces. Equipped with some 1500 pcs of tanks in frontline units. Some 3000 BMP/APC, 600+ pcs of fielded tube artillery, 2000 pcs of barrel artillery 250 planes, 300 choppersVirtually all Russian victories were in first 2 weeks of the war, when they cowardly sneak attacked unmobilized Ukraine. Since then Russia LOST much more territories than gained.
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Blue - territories gained by Russia since march and green - territories lost by Russia since march.
For perspective. From 2000-2021 Russia spend on army over 1.3 TRILLION $, while Ukraine - about 60 bln. Yet they are losing on battleground.
Before the war Russia was bragging that they will take Warsaw and Berlin in 1 day.
11 months after the war: we mobilized 100 k Mobiks, 300 K Chmobiks, 50 K prisoners and managed to take some village. Wooo hoo!
Yet miserably failed against unequipped Ukrainian army.Back in Feb22 Russians had a 300k strong armed forces consisting mostly of land forces. Equipped with some 1500 pcs of tanks in frontline units. Some 3000 BMP/APC, 600+ pcs of fielded tube artillery, 2000 pcs of barrel artillery 250 planes, 300 choppers
400 pcs of AD systems, echeloned, connected, cooperating, and reaching 90km perimeter. Based on own products, with train, production, and servicing net supporting that. All of that, trained.
Fully staffed. People who drilled with the equipment for years.
Unlike u, Israel never made any aggression.If you want to know what cowardly even is look at your country attacking Palestine or some countries wanting to invade Syria.
SIPRI1.3 trillion is this another Ukrainian source like they are already claiming Russian will call another mobilization when they still haven't announced shit?
If cocaine makes people brave, then please. Zelensky met and rewarded the soldiers on the front line, and Putin met with the mobilized somewhere, while a mobilized young man who dared to come close to Putin was shot
I still think it's going to be a little while until we see Abrams' and Leopards announced for Ukraine, largely for logistical / support reasons. I do think it's coming eventually, but right now it's not the focus of the West.
At the moment, I believe the West's focus is the following.
1). The transition to Western IFVs and heavily armed APCs.
2). The continued fortifying of Ukraine's air defense capabilities.
3). The procurement / logistical flow of 155mm artillery rounds.
4). The introduction of additional Western self propelled artillery and heavy mortars.
5). The training of approximately 50,000 Ukrainian soldiers at locations across Europe, the U.K. and USA in 2022.
I do eventually think you'll see approximately 100 Abrams and 100 Leopard 2s make their way to Germany, where armoured battalions will train on them before heading back to Ukraine to join the fight, but I would expect you'll see several hundred Western IFVs and modern APCs prior to that occurence.
Here is the key. Ukraine is going to send approximately 500-700 soldiers to Germany every month (starting in January) to be trained in combined arms warfare, using Western equipment. The goal must be to have adequate equipment waiting for them to train on and take back to Ukraine with them as they finish the training. A Western mechanized battalion consists of approximately 50 tanks, 90-100 IFVs, 50 armed APCs and artillery and logistics to support them. That ought to be the focus of the West. Ensure that for the first half 2023, enough equipment is available to send back with each battalion.
Here is a reasonable way to look at it...
Battalion #1 (January)
28x T-55 MBTs (Slovenia)
25x T-72 MBTs (Poland)
100x Bradley M2 IFVs (USA)
50x Stryker APCs (USA)
18x M109A6 Paladin, 155mm self propelled howitzers
Battalion #2 (February)
35x T-72 MBTs (Morocco, Czech Republic)
14x Challenger MBTs (Britain)
50x Marder IFVs (Germany)
50x Bradley IFVs (USA)
50x Stryker APCs (USA)
18x AS-90, 155mm self propelled howitzers (Britain)
Battalion #3 (March)
50x Leopard 2 MBTs (Germany, Poland, Finland)
50x BMP2 IFVs (Czech Republic and Slovakia)
50x CV90 IFVs (Sweden)
50x Kirpi APCs (Turkey)
18x Archer, 155mm, self propelled howitzers (Sweden)
Battalion #4 (April)
50x Abrams M1A2 MBTs (USA)
50x LAV III IFVs (Canada)
50x Warrior IFVs (Britain)
50x Kirpi APCs (Turkey)
18x Krab, 155mm, self propelled howitzers (Poland)
Battalion #5 (May)
50x Leopard 2 MBTs (Spain, Canada, The Netherlands, Norway)
50x CV90 IFVs (Norway, The Netherlands, Finland, Estonia, Denmark)
50x VBCI IFVs (France)
50x Stryker APCs (USA)
18x M109, 155mm, self propelled howitzers (Italy, Spain)
Battalion #6 (June)
50x Abrams M1A2 MBTs (USA)
50x Bradley IFVs (USA)
50x Warrior IFVs (Britain)
50x VAB APCs (France)
18x Panzerhaubitze 2000, 155mm, self propelled howitzers (Germany, Italy, The Netherlands)
That is a 6 month example of how you share the burden and build armoured battalions that have the adequate equipment necessary to go to war, without placing substantial burden on any one country. The remainder of the supporting countries support these donations with all of the equipment they can spare.
If we work together and share the burden, we'll be able to send the Ukrainians into combat with some lethal armoured battalions over the first half of 2023.
It uses 39 caliber barrel, so off course its somewhere below. Top 6 are all 52 caliber.@Gary! how dare you put my favourite howitzer at number 9?
The M109 A6 is the best piece of SP artillery out there ever.