Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1607692513581711360

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1607390458258546688

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1607477025962430465

This war is not over.

Westerners fail to realise how Slavic societies are.

They have no right to be imposing their hypocritical morality on the Ukrainians and Russians.

 

[blackjack]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1607692513581711360

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1607390458258546688

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1607477025962430465

This war is not over.

I could be posting tons of videos of Ukrainians shooting civilians and their own men while a certain user here posts stories. But there is no point trying to prove anything here when a "american" ex-"marine" "mercenary" lecture s your own armed forces about morals. This story spread throughout twitter so I am sure the Ukrainians are pissed about the truth spreading out

 

[Woland]

People forget the factories the Soviets had that constantly churned out weapons.

Not just lend lease.

Lend lease is overrated i think the biggest help the Americans and British did for the Russians was by bombing the German war factories 24/7.

Not only the German military capabilties got crippled the Germans could no longer supply their military with weapons while the Soviets got lend lease and their factories were tucked away in the Urals.

The USSR would have lost the war without aid from the US. This is not up for debate, and is according to both Stalin, Zhukov and Khrushchev.

Here is a quote from the memoirs of Nikita Khrushchev: "I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so. "

Furthermore:

• Stalin told Harry Hopkins, FDR's emissary to Moscow in 1941, that the USSR could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources.
• At the Tehran conference in 1943, Stalin publicly stated: "Without American machines the United Nations could never have won the war."
• Marshall Zhukov, who was the top commander for the USSR during WWII stated in 1963: "One cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war."

Boris Sokolov who reexamined the war effort after Soviet archives became public reached the same conclusion, not to mention others like Ian Kershaw, Mark Harrison, Wendy Goldman, Donald Filtzer, etc.

 

[Nilgiri]

People forget the factories the Soviets had that constantly churned out weapons.

Not just lend lease.

Lend lease is overrated i think the biggest help the Americans and British did for the Russians was by bombing the German war factories 24/7.

Not only the German military capabilties got crippled the Germans could no longer supply their military with weapons while the Soviets got lend lease and their factories were tucked away in the Urals.

Lend lease was considerable aid to USSR. The sheer number of trucks especially that helped USSR to not be as flat-footed as Germans eventually ended up being.

USSR essentially never had to rely on vastly inferior horses (esp during winter when these would just freeze) as result.

Logistically trucks in that war were everything in the ability for formations to be supplied and maneuvered adequately.

Not to mention they were the lifeline for sieged cities like Leningrad (St. Petersburg) which would have otherwise been lost or entirely starved out.

I somewhat know in detail, the story of one of the greatest chess champion of USSR... he never liked to talk about it much, but his father was killed supplying Leningrad....when german artillery fell on the frozen lake (Ladoga) he was driving on and his truck immediately sunk into the lake.

Those are parts of that war that often are not known that well.

Lend lease also helped divert industrial factory capacity within USSR for other war manufacturing.

Might want to read these:

Combat, War, Geopolitics History and Analysis

@Nein2.0(Nomad) , probably the largest exception (given scale of what mongols did to kievan rus) to what i was talking about just now:

defencehub.live

Combat, War, Geopolitics History and Analysis

@Nein2.0(Nomad) , probably the largest exception (given scale of what mongols did to kievan rus) to what i was talking about just now:

defencehub.live

 

[busdriver]

Westerners fail to realise how Slavic societies are.

They have no right to be imposing their hypocritical morality on the Ukrainians and Russians.

So enlighten us and tell us "how Slavic societies are"?

 

[Nilgiri]

The things I would do to people that lay hands on old woman like this....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1607473776173752321

 

[Xenon54]

Assad seems to be a very evil guy.

View attachment 51807

What a romantic mass murderer.

 

[Mehmed Ali]

1926- 1931 Germany loaned to Russia 900 millions marks , just Germany. Even Czechoslovaki loaned 150 dollars 1935 . 1927 Standard Oil 75 millions investment just in Baku. " Land lease " was in full swing Even 1921. Great deal of the factories, tooling etc were partially tot . Many of those things were secured by Soviet exports. So workers in cities were fed the rest of food exported . For that reason millions starved to death ( 1.5 million cases of cannibalism) . I think Kazakhstan suffered %42.5 deaths.

 

[tsss2010]

We are raising money for an SUV and power banks for 30 separate mechanized brigade, which is now fighting in the east of Ukraine in the Bakhmut region. The need is urgent. You can go to my personal Facebook page and see that I am a real person and I am raising money to buy a car for my friend who serves in this brigade.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008676224396
Requisites for help:
https://send.monobank.ua/jar/3eXC8gprP6
Monobank
UA123220010000026207329761895
PayPal - [email protected]
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Bank: JSC UNIVERSAL BANK
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City: VIENNA, AUSTRIA
Account number: 70-55.092.373
Swift code: RZBAATWWXXX

 

[Ryder]

The USSR would have lost the war without aid from the US. This is not up for debate, and is according to both Stalin, Zhukov and Khrushchev.

Here is a quote from the memoirs of Nikita Khrushchev: "I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so. "

Furthermore:

• Stalin told Harry Hopkins, FDR's emissary to Moscow in 1941, that the USSR could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources.
• At the Tehran conference in 1943, Stalin publicly stated: "Without American machines the United Nations could never have won the war."
• Marshall Zhukov, who was the top commander for the USSR during WWII stated in 1963: "One cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war."

Boris Sokolov who reexamined the war effort after Soviet archives became public reached the same conclusion, not to mention others like Ian Kershaw, Mark Harrison, Wendy Goldman, Donald Filtzer, etc.

When the Soviets admit it themselves about how lend lease saved their asses I guess my comments are irrelevant there.

Russians purposely ignored all of this to create a nice myth about how they won WW2 single handedly.

Never knew how important lend lease was.

 

[Kathirz]

Lend lease was considerable aid to USSR. The sheer number of trucks especially that helped USSR to not be as flat-footed as Germans eventually ended up being.

USSR essentially never had to rely on vastly inferior horses (esp during winter when these would just freeze) as result.

Logistically trucks in that war were everything in the ability for formations to be supplied and maneuvered adequately.

Not to mention they were the lifeline for sieged cities like Leningrad (St. Petersburg) which would have otherwise been lost or entirely starved out.

I somewhat know in detail, the story of one of the greatest chess champion of USSR... he never liked to talk about it much, but his father was killed supplying Leningrad....when german artillery fell on the frozen lake (Ladoga) he was driving on and his truck immediately sunk into the lake.

Those are parts of that war that often are not known that well.

Lend lease also helped divert industrial factory capacity within USSR for other war manufacturing.

Might want to read these:

Combat, War, Geopolitics History and Analysis

@Nein2.0(Nomad) , probably the largest exception (given scale of what mongols did to kievan rus) to what i was talking about just now:

defencehub.live

Combat, War, Geopolitics History and Analysis

@Nein2.0(Nomad) , probably the largest exception (given scale of what mongols did to kievan rus) to what i was talking about just now:

defencehub.live

Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the “enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”

• 400,000 jeeps & trucks
• 14,000 airplanes
• 8,000 tractors
• 13,000 tanks
• 1.5 million blankets
• 15 million pairs of army boots
• 107,000 tons of cotton
• 2.7 million tons of petrol products
• 4.5 million tons of food

World War II Allies: U.S. Lend-Lease to the Soviet Union, 1941-1945

Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi

ru.usembassy.gov

Arctic convoys of World War II - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

'We Would Have Lost': Did U.S. Lend-Lease Aid Tip The Balance In Soviet Fight Against Nazi Germany?

Ever since the Cold War, many Soviet and Russian politicians and academics have downplayed the role that U.S.-provided weapons and supplies played in the Red Army's ultimately victorious campaign against Hitler's Germany. But there is substantial evidence that the huge influx of materiel made an...

www.rferl.org

 

[GoatsMilk]

When the Soviets admit it themselves about how lend lease saved their asses I guess my comments are irrelevant there.

Russians purposely ignored all of this to create a nice myth about how they won WW2 single handedly.

Never knew how important lend lease was.

Russians are very good liars, nearly everything they say is a lie and told in such a way to make themselves always sound much better then they actually are. Just think about how they hyped their own military hardware before this war as a good example.

They can spew all this anti-western nonsense, but the reality is that its thank to the west that one they exist and two that they exist at the size they do.

The house of cards finally collapsed by invading Ukraine.

 

[GoatsMilk]

The things I would do to people that lay hands on old woman like this....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1607473776173752321

One of the most morally bankrupt nations on earth.

 

[Kathirz]

I could be posting tons of videos of Ukrainians shooting civilians and their own men while a certain user here posts stories. But there is no point trying to prove anything here when a "american" ex-"marine" "mercenary" lecture s your own armed forces about morals. This story spread throughout twitter so I am sure the Ukrainians are pissed about the truth spreading out

Russia is ill, and only spreads lies as a try to stay alive and success on their rotten political interests regardless of human rights.

Putin, Girkin, Lavrov and friends can come with those "tons of material" to he Hague, and use it in their benefit. But I'll tell you, many Ukranian collaborators, were killed by Russian authorities once, as a preventative measure, they have lost their usefulness, just as the bloodiest gangs do.
They would have to answer, among many things, to questions about mass graves, indiscriminate civil killings, Mariupol, Kharkiv, Chernihiv, Kiev, etc. And what you might not know is, international community keeps recognizing Donets and Luhansk regions as indivisible part of Ukraine, as well Crimea. And that's law, unless you can subvert it.

In the clash of values, garnished with wonderful propaganda read here, we can see how many Russians, clearly, lost their faith on humanity as a political tool of their governors, to be able of doing things against what UN's human rights declartion agrees, with the sole goal of archieving their personal interests. And this wasn't the first time.

Truth is something part of a single person, but also the confluence of many peoples, it will be shown after invading a peaceful country and tear down their people to the inhumanity one more time.

Russia will face the consecuences, but don't worry mate, my country Spain, faced a war against USA in it's last steps as an empire, centuries ago we could, after transitioning from dark ages, to be a country which respects human rights and seeks not only peace for herself but for any other nation in the world.

What lessons Spain learned: Do what you want, but dont bother too much a lot of different countries/people, because they could have the power of imposing their truth and bring you down extremely well together with your projection of power.

"A skinny dog is all fleas"

 

[Kathirz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1608151668776144898

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605978332776087553

Mariupol theatre airstrike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Anastasius]

I don't mean to defend the Soviet Union but Lend-Lease wasn't the sole reason that they were able to push back the Germans. By the time Lend-Lease was in full swing, Germans had already been defeated at Stalingrad and withdrawing from the USSR's core territories. What is generally ignored is that this withdrawal was mostly Germans doing it on purpose to get to more defensible territory where they had the advantage rather than them being routed but the losses in North Africa, Italy and invasion of France caused them to have to remove manpower from the Eastern Front to counter the Allies in the West.

Without Allied pressure in the Mediterranean and especially the invasion of France, Germany could have probably held on indefinitely against the Russians even with Lend-Lease. Germans wouldn't be able to defeat the USSR with their shitty logistics but the USSR also wouldn't be able to push Germany back to Berlin solo even with Lend-Lease. It would just be a brutal stalemate not very much different to what we are seeing in Ukraine now.

 

[Ryder]

I don't mean to defend the Soviet Union but Lend-Lease wasn't the sole reason that they were able to push back the Germans. By the time Lend-Lease was in full swing, Germans had already been defeated at Stalingrad and withdrawing from the USSR's core territories. What is generally ignored is that this withdrawal was mostly Germans doing it on purpose to get to more defensible territory where they had the advantage rather than them being routed but the losses in North Africa, Italy and invasion of France caused them to have to remove manpower from the Eastern Front to counter the Allies in the West.

Without Allied pressure in the Mediterranean and especially the invasion of France, Germany could have probably held on indefinitely against the Russians even with Lend-Lease. Germans wouldn't be able to defeat the USSR with their shitty logistics but the USSR also wouldn't be able to push Germany back to Berlin solo even with Lend-Lease. It would just be a brutal stalemate not very much different to what we are seeing in Ukraine now.

Lots of good arguments from both sides.

I do believe the bombing runs from the americans and british get over loooked.

 

[clonda]

One of the most morally bankrupt nations on earth.

It's terrible that not a single person intervened in the situation. No adequate person will allow such a thing to happen in his presence.
One day I was on a bus in Russia and witnessed how a group of Chechens behaved provocatively, and one of them started insulting a woman who made a remark to them. I had to intervene, I can't stand it when old people are insulted, Chechens started threatening me with physical violence when the bus stops at the next stop. I got off with these hooligans at the next stop, and the most amazing thing is that not a single passenger came out to support me, as if they were all asleep, and only the woman I stood up for took my hand and said: "Don't get off their bus," I disobeyed. Yes, I fought and wounded one of them, but I was defeated by their numbers. But the most annoying thing is that not a single person from the bus supported me - everyone was in a hurry about their business

 

[Kathirz]

Another wave of cruise missiles and Iranian's drones today over Ukraine, about 120 missiles is being reported:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1608383318562594817

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1608385016794419200

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule54

Attacks targeting civilians and objects indispensable to the survival of civilians are prohibited under international humanitarian law.

Update:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1608415782731481089

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of a self-made military communications relay of the Ukrainian army. The installation was created by craftsmen, on the chassis of the Soviet Volga GAZ-24-10 converted into a pickup truck. There are no technical details of the communication repeater.

Rare footage of the work of the operators of the Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system on Ukrainian GMLRS missiles fired from the HIMARS MLRS has appeared. The results of the attack, 4 out of 6 HIMARS missiles were shot down, the consumption of Pantsir missiles was 5 pieces. Good performance for air defense systems, especially considering that HIMARS missiles are difficult targets. Judging by the end of the video, part of the fragments from the HIMARS MLRS missiles hit the Pantsir air defense system.

The work of Russian pilots in Ukraine is shown quite often, but no one shows the life of pilots. Footage of the field camp of Russian pilots in Ukraine.

The Buk-M1 air defense system of the Ukrainian army came under attack from the Russian Lancet kamikaze drone. After the impact of the Lancet drone, the missiles of the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system exploded.

A batch of modernized T-90M "Proryv" tanks entered service with the Russian army. At the training ground, instructors train crews taking into account modern combat experience. One of the commanders spoke about these combat vehicles.