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Here's another foolish move by the Taliban, when you're already in control and your foes standing army no longer existed , the best way is to downsize the army, thereby freeing the government from the logistical as well as financial constraints that comes with maintaining an army. The IEA is broke, it's people are on its way to starvation and catastrophe. Yet, the Taliban kept on emphasizing the increase of the standing army by graduating more and more soldiers which is no longer useful against the new threat by insurgents like ISKP and it WILL cost them money just to sustain.

when it comes to ISKP, the best way is actually the slimming down of the army into special forces aided with Western intelligence and help.
 

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Here's another foolish move by the Taliban, when you're already in control and your foes standing army no longer existed , the best way is to downsize the army, thereby freeing the government from the logistical as well as financial constraints that comes with maintaining an army. The IEA is broke, it's people are on its way to starvation and catastrophe. Yet, the Taliban kept on emphasizing the increase of the standing army by graduating more and more soldiers which is no longer useful against the new threat by insurgents like ISKP and it WILL cost them money just to sustain.

when it comes to ISKP, the best way is actually the slimming down of the army into special forces aided with Western intelligence and help.

and oh, the Taliban are making sure they're using whatever remaining flight hours in those choppers for what matters most. Parade.

 

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I have always insisted that the Afghan Taliban is NOT a subordinate to the Pakistani state. Something that draws mockery back then .

Afghans haven't agreed to the Durand Line since 1947. Of course given Pakistani State's fraternal and ideological connection to the Taliban, it is a bit surprising that the Talib aren't toeing the line.
 

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Afghans haven't agreed to the Durand Line since 1947. Of course given Pakistani State's fraternal and ideological connection to the Taliban, it is a bit surprising that the Talib aren't toeing the line.

There is lot more pragmatic+utilitarian dimension to the relationship (past asserted ideology etc)....esp given the heavy factionalism on both political sides.

So when that utility recedes, the old issues come to forefront.

No one in AFG can seriously accept durrand line imposed by British. This will be a very long term issue whatever goes on.
 

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There is lot more pragmatic+utilitarian dimension to the relationship (past asserted ideology etc)....esp given the heavy factionalism on both political sides.

So when that utility recedes, the old issues come to forefront.

No one in AFG can seriously accept durrand line imposed by British. This will be a very long term issue whatever goes on.
I understand that from the perspective of a rational and progressive Afghan regime. So the Taliban doesn't count. As you pointed out, there would be heavy factionalism within the Taliban
 

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I understand that from the perspective of a rational and progressive Afghan regime. So the Taliban doesn't count. As you pointed out, there would be heavy factionalism within the Taliban

This was a good read @AlphaMike :

 

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No one in AFG can seriously accept durrand line imposed by British. This will be a very long term issue whatever goes on.
Tell me one border imposed by British on India, Pakistan, China etc are accepted by all sides? That border the British gave you on the Himalayas is presently contested by your and Chinese Army.

Durand Line is in the same vein as McMahon Line and the rest. At present 97% of the border has been fenced. The remaining 3% is cause of many issues.

  • 1. The exact points on the ground are contested between Pak and Afgh.
  • 2. The locations pose severe physical problems because of geography.
  • 3. The locations are smugglers routes blocking off would cripple the living of the locals in the areas.

At present work continues on the finishing the difficult 3%. There have been problems informed by one or more of the list above. The pictures are mis-representing the events on the ground. If one looks at the pictures it's obvious the barbed wire is nicely reeled up and not what you would expect barbed wire to look after it has been torn out from it's fixings.

Apparantly as work was going on locals raided the stocks left at the site in protest at the work going on. The cable now has been returned after coordination up the chain of command.

Twenty years of toxic Indian propaganda and a ecosystem built up by the American invaders [using 100s of billion dollars] which was critical of Pakistan and nourished it's agenda won;t be fumigated in a few months.

What matters is the Afghan state is on same page as Pakistan even if a few footnotes differ. I guess that this tiny event creates flutters of joy in our detractors tells us much.

I personally hope and expect at some point in future the Durand Line to become a soft line like that you see between UK and Ireland in Ulster or on the Franco-German border with free movement of people. I am pretty sure this will happen.

The border at Khyber Pass is actually exactly at mid-point between Islamabad and Kabul at 100 miles from both cities. It takes less than just over two hours from ISB to Khyber Pass border. Both cities are within max 4 hours drive.

Geographic and ethnic inertia will lead to a shared future and open borders. Nothing the outsiders whether from American continent or Ganga basin can change, try as they may.

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Afghans haven't agreed to the Durand Line since 1947. Of course given Pakistani State's fraternal and ideological connection to the Taliban, it is a bit surprising that the Talib aren't toeing the line.
There's no ideological connection between the state of Pakistan and the Taliban. Both differ in their interpretation of Islam.

The current Taliban leadership are playing pragmatic but it won't help them in the long run when its cadres sees Pakistan as an enemy state.
 

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This was a good read @AlphaMike :

This is repeating what I've been writing in this very thread. Trying to differentiate between the Taliban and the TTP will result in failure. Both the Afghan Taliban and the Pakistani Taliban saw both Pakistan to be an enemy state.

only fools in PDF would believe there are 2 Taliban.
 
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At first glance, the Taliban can only be seen as an Islamic Movement, but it also has a very strong Pashtun nationalism side. Pashtuns, like the Kurds, will never accept existing political borders. So there is only one Taliban, not two Taliban, just as there is only one Pashtun people. Pakistan needs to get rid of this illusion as soon as possible and face the harsh realities.

There is one more harsh reality that needs to be faced: TLP and similar mentality formations and the extreme bigoted mullah class are rapidly undermining the Pakistani state. I fear that the conjoined twins Pakistan and Afghanistan are on their way to a political/economic/humanitarian disaster together.

The core Pakistani state and intelligence agency must address the problem of the bigoted mullah class as the biggest threat as soon as possible. But I'm afraid it's too late now. Juntaist Dictator Ziya Ul-Haq did a great evil to his country by weakening the secular structure of the Pakistani State.
 

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At first glance, the Taliban can only be seen as an Islamic Movement, but it also has a very strong Pashtun nationalism side. Pashtuns, like the Kurds, will never accept existing political borders. So there is only one Taliban, not two Taliban, just as there is only one Pashtun people. Pakistan needs to get rid of this illusion as soon as possible and face the harsh realities.

There is one more harsh reality that needs to be faced: TLP and similar mentality formations and the extreme bigoted mullah class are rapidly undermining the Pakistani state. I fear that the conjoined twins Pakistan and Afghanistan are on their way to a political/economic/humanitarian disaster together.

The core Pakistani state and intelligence agency must address the problem of the bigoted mullah class as the biggest threat as soon as possible. But I'm afraid it's too late now. Juntaist Dictator Ziya Ul-Haq did a great evil to his country by weakening the secular structure of the Pakistani State.

We will do whatever dictates our interests. If supporting IEA means that Indian sponsored terrorism can be kept at bay we will support IEA. Just like India, US and NATO supported Northern Alliance against Pakistan for their own interests.

The Taliban cannot do shit against existing borders. This news might be new to most here. The Pakistanis have been dealing with Afghan and Indian sponsored terror at border region ever since its existence. This is old news and we have been dealing with Afghan nationalism very effectively.

Pakistan will close the border for just 2 days and the Afghans will come to their senses. Don't believe me? Wait in the coming days for this to happen.
 
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