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[Madokafc]

 

[Lordimperator]

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Ini mau ngitung jumlah vlsnya

...ini hotel terapung yang dibeli dari Ukraina itu ya

 

[Madokafc]

Ini mau ngitung jumlah vlsnya

...ini hotel terapung yang dibeli dari Ukraina itu ya

Yang jelas lebih banyak daripada gabungan vls yang dipunyai seluruh negara di Asia tenggara

 

[Lordimperator]

seluruh negara di Asia tenggara

7 ddg type52 x 64 + 3 ffg type54 x32 = 544,
Real ketar ketir

 

[JATOSINT]

Kalau gk salah sejak era VLS rumus untuk ngehitung naval power suatu negara juga ada yg berdasarkan jumlah VLS/kapal atau VLS total se AL, bukan lagi cuma dari jumlah hull dan tonase total

Lupa nama rumus/konsepnya apa

 

[NEKO]

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Australians expecting that their navy will get Virginia or Astute class nuclear submarines have had their hopes dashed. Documents reveal that the go-forward AUKUS design will be based on an enlarged Collins Class submarine.​

Naval News Staff 01 Apr 2022

Leaks have appeared in Australia’s nuclear submarine program. They reveal key details about the new submarine, which is the cornerstone of the new AUKUS pact between Australia, United Kingdom and United States. The go-forward design will be very different from what many have previously speculated.

The new submarine will be a nuclear-powered evolution of the Collins Class. Six Collins Class are already in service with the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) so this reflects a conservative choice.

The leaked document, seen by Naval News, outlines the propulsion. While the Collins Class is not mentioned, it is clear from a computer aided design (CAD) drawing that it is based on a Collins Class hull. As well as the nuclear propulsion, the new boats appear to have a vertical launch system for additional missiles.

The decision will come as a shock to those who were expecting either the American Virginia class or British Astute class. Those were the two main designs in contention, with a nuclear ‘Son of Collins’ barely discussed until now.

An evolution of the Collins design does make some sense. The tools and machinery for constructing Collins Class boats is already in the country. The Collins Class themselves were constructed between 1990 and 2003 by Australian Submarine Corporation (ASC) in South Australia. Their design was by Swedish shipyard Kockums, now part of Saab, who also have a presence in Australia. This is likely to be a factor in the decision.

The Collins Class already has three deck levels compared to four for the U.S. Navy’s Virginia Class. This should still be enough to allow for the nuclear reactor however. With the reactor the new design will be much longer than the Collins Class. We estimate that it will be almost as large as the French Barracuda design.

Nuclear Son Of Collins​

The new design, labelled ‘Future Submarine Go-Forward Baseline’, features an Australian made nuclear reactor. A home-grown reactor is a bold move for the country which has a minimal existing nuclear infrastructure. Currently the energy sector is stronger on fossil fuels. However it may alleviate some fears surrounding the supply of nuclear material from the US or UK to Australia.

The leaked slide also indicates that the lengthened Collins class boat will have a vertical launch system (VLS). Three tubes are shown behind the sail. Their capacity is not specified but appears consistent with three-five missiles per vls.

This will add between 9-15 cruise missiles to the submarine firepower. The increase in weapons will bring the submarine approximately in line with nuclear submarines elsewhere. Cruise missiles are a critical part of the AUKUS proposition. They increase the reach of the submarine and also impart a degree of conventional deterrence. It will make the submarines meaningful for the US and British allies.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, a person familiar with the latest developments told Naval News that the “AUKUS submarine is critical to the defense of Australia”. Former Ambassador C J Harris went on to add that it is not a sales campaign for foreign submarines. The selected design has to make sense for Australia’s manufacturing base. “The American and British submarines are too large. Australia cannot afford to build subs like that. The Son-of-Collins class, or Collinsson as the Swedes call it, is an astute compromise”.

The Osborne shipyard in Adelaide, where the new submarines are expected to be built, is being enlarged. It will be tripled in size over the coming years. Australia’s ability to build world-class submarines is already established. But it has been years since any new boats were constructed. New workers will have to be trained, even if the Collinsson design is essentially a cut-and-shut of the existing Collins.

V Is For Vengeance​

Following Royal Australian Navy tradition, established with the Oberon class, all the submarines will have names starting with the same letter. Moving away from the ‘A’ with the cancelled Attack Class, the new boats will all have names beginning with V.

The first submarine, HMAS Vengeful, is expected to be launched before 2050. The remaining three boats of the first batch, HMAS Victoria, HMAS Vexatious and HMAS Vampirious are expected to be in the water in the 2050s. They will be followed by Batch-II, possibly with enhanced capabilities.

The four Batch-II boats will be HMAS Vainglorious, HMAS Vaporous, HMAS Vanquished and HMAS Vegemite. The final batch will be made up of HMAS Very, HMSAS Visible, HMAS Vendetta and HMAS Abbot.

Sources confirm that the pumpjet propulseur, which replaces the screw propeller of the Collins class, will be optimized for Southern Hemisphere operations. It will spin the opposite direction to normal European ones. This should ensure that it can drive for longer than 20 minutes, which was found to be an issue with the Attack class design.

Leak Reveals First Details Of Australia's New AUKUS Submarine - Naval News

Australians expecting that their navy will get Virginia or Astute class nuclear submarines have had their hopes dashed. Documents reveal that the go-forward AUKUS design will be based on an enlarged Collins Class submarine.

www.navalnews.com

Leak Reveals First Details Of Australia's New AUKUS Submarine - Naval News

Australians expecting that their navy will get Virginia or Astute class nuclear submarines have had their hopes dashed. Documents reveal that the go-forward AUKUS design will be based on an enlarged Collins Class submarine.

www.navalnews.com

Really nice seeing Naval News keeping the tradition. Good article and information etc, and sometime still can be funni.

 

[Lordimperator]

Naval News keeping the tradition

Thats the spirit!!
Last year they went for the biggest ssbn PLAAN

 

[Madokafc]

Leak Reveals First Details Of Australia's New AUKUS Submarine - Naval News

Australians expecting that their navy will get Virginia or Astute class nuclear submarines have had their hopes dashed. Documents reveal that the go-forward AUKUS design will be based on an enlarged Collins Class submarine.

www.navalnews.com

Really nice seeing Naval News keeping the tradition. Good article and information etc, and sometime still can be funni.

They want to get rid of their troublesome Collin class, instead they get the Nuclear powered version of Collin class. Trouble increasing Exponentially, good luck m8.

In all honesty, they as well just ordered Nuclear powered Baracuda class instead

 

[Nilgiri]

Leak Reveals First Details Of Australia's New AUKUS Submarine - Naval News

Australians expecting that their navy will get Virginia or Astute class nuclear submarines have had their hopes dashed. Documents reveal that the go-forward AUKUS design will be based on an enlarged Collins Class submarine.

www.navalnews.com

Really nice seeing Naval News keeping the tradition. Good article and information etc, and sometime still can be funni.

Last years was lot more blatant, and some very high IQ types (spamming did you look at country IQ "study" yet?) fell for it right here....

The thread is even still up lmao:

Revealed: China’s New Super Submarine Dwarfs Typhoon Class

Revealed: China’s New Super Submarine Dwarfs Typhoon Class The new submarine, identified as the Type-100 Class, is armed with 48 Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs). It can also carry ginormous nuclear-powered nuclear-armed autonomous torpedoes. And a hangar on its back indicates a...

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It was good times lol:

The Meme Thread

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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This same guy keeps bringing up IQ, thats the best part lol.

 

[Madokafc]

Hope April fool next year edition refer to Indonesian Navy

 

[R4duga]

it was reported the one that downed the russian mi-28n are starstreak due to lack of explosion and propellant smoke.

 

[Madokafc]

it was reported the one that downed the russian mi-28n are starstreak due to lack of explosion and propellant smoke.

Yes i am suspected too

 

[Lordimperator]

Hope April fool next year edition refer to Indonesian Navy

Kinda like "Indonesia buys Barracuda SSN"

 

[kantokuukai]

Kinda like "Indonesia buys Barracuda SSN"

There is a possibility that it would become real...

 

[HellFireIndo]

Luhut simply went all in. He didn't even hide the fact that he's the de facto Prime Minister nowadays. Imagine Menko Maritim handling both election and economic affairs, dude just took care of the gas price yesterday. I mean what the heck the other 3 Menkos aren't even around to see these days, and all political influences are concentrated upon Luhut alone.

 

[this is crunch]

Luhut simply went all in. He didn't even hide the fact that he's the de facto Prime Minister nowadays. Imagine Menko Maritim handling both election and economic affairs, dude just took care of the gas price yesterday. I mean what the heck the other 3 Menkos aren't even around to see these days, and all political influences are concentrated upon Luhut alone.

The thing is, no one complaints about that, about what he did or what he hold. And His Majesty Prime Minister LBP did great job tho, utamanya ttg covid kemaren dan percepatan vaksinasi, so as long as he did great, then it's good to go

From civillian perspective, LBP seems to handle much power than any other ministers, or even some people sees him overlapping his job. But from Jkw perspective he is a good ret. general, he had a lot of connection both in business and politics, and many other reason and so on. even if he is not in ministers position, he still hold great power and he is well respected man a.k.a orang orang pada segan ke dia, Orang Kaya, Batak pula, wuih pada mikir 2x orang orang juga

Regarded of some controversy about him, we also need to know that his ministres incharge of coordinating and "handling" (or taking care of) other ministers, like Perikanan and Kelautan, ESDM, PUPR, Pariwisata dan Usaha Kreatif, and some other, so it's fair to say that he is a great prime ministers

 

[HellFireIndo]

The thing is, no one complaints about that, about what he did or what he hold. And His Majesty Prime Minister LBP did great job tho, utamanya ttg covid kemaren dan percepatan vaksinasi, so as long as he did great, then it's good to go

From civillian perspective, LBP seems to handle much power than any other ministers, or even some people sees him overlapping his job. But from Jkw perspective he is a good ret. general, he had a lot of connection both in business and politics, and many other reason and so on. even if he is not in ministers position, he still hold great power and he is well respected man a.k.a orang orang pada segan ke dia, Orang Kaya, Batak pula, wuih pada mikir 2x orang orang juga

Regarded of some controversy about him, we also need to know that his ministres incharge of coordinating and "handling" (or taking care of) other ministers, like Perikanan and Kelautan, ESDM, PUPR, Pariwisata dan Usaha Kreatif, and some other, so it's fair to say that he is a great prime ministers

The thing is he clearly was behind the 3 periode fiasco. So he is somewhat still stuck in the old way of ignoring the constitution in favor of political interest. Military and business sector is never democratic, so using their paradigm is dangerous for our democracy.

If Wiwi relies on him a lot, that's OK, but as long as he does the job within his tupoksi. The way he did every job in every possible sector does not make a healthy ministerial institution. You see that other ministers' jobs are all taken by him, so what can they do then? Luhut is abusing ambiguous points in UU Kementerian, saying he was mandated through "..dan tugas lain yang diberikan Presiden". This sort of abusing loopholes in the legal mandate is very much an Orba ABRI's practice.

We must also remember that it is Luhut who sponsored Wiwi, not the other way around. So the President is actually being held within his interest, it is natural to assume that Luhut benefited from Wiwi's over-reliance on him, he can control the President at a whim. That being said, his encroachment on authority outside of what's legally mandated to him is still a minor compared to his controversy of making a business out of PCR test kits. So his handling of Covid has a personal economic interest to motivate him to begin with.

I mean I am educated in this stuff, even minor abuse of institutional arrangement was criticized by the college educators. Now we have Luhut who abuses loopholes as a kind of hobby, and increasingly putting the President as a Head of State only, with him holding the real executive power.

 

[San.geuk]

he's behind 3 periode precidency, kind an abuse of power, just like Suharto at begining, a capable person at the end of orde lama, who become corrupt after somewhile, if he is a 'moslem' like suharto, i doubt he's need jokowi in power, he will be R1 by himself

 

[this is crunch]

The thing is he clearly was behind the 3 periode fiasco. So he is somewhat still stuck in the old way of ignoring the constitution in favor of political interest. Military and business sector is never democratic, so using their paradigm is dangerous for our democracy.

If Wiwi relies on him a lot, that's OK, but as long as he does the job within his tupoksi. The way he did every job in every possible sector does not make a healthy ministerial institution. You see that other ministers' jobs are all taken by him, so what can they do then? Luhut is abusing ambiguous points in UU Kementerian, saying he was mandated through "..dan tugas lain yang diberikan Presiden". This sort of abusing loopholes in the legal mandate is very much an Orba ABRI's practice.

We must also remember that it is Luhut who sponsored Wiwi, not the other way around. So the President is actually being held within his interest, it is natural to assume that Luhut benefited from Wiwi's over-reliance on him, he can control the President at a whim. That being said, his encroachment on authority outside of what's legally mandated to him is still a minor compared to his controversy of making a business out of PCR test kits. So his handling of Covid has a personal economic interest to motivate him to begin with.

I mean I am educated in this stuff, even minor abuse of institutional arrangement was criticized by the college educators. Now we have Luhut who abuses loopholes as a kind of hobby, and increasingly putting the President as a Head of State only, with him holding the real executive power.

You made a couple point which sounds controversial but i won't deny that, i'm not going to conclude that too fast, also i understand what happened to those controversy when happen to someone incharge will be covered.

I did not analyze that deep into Perundang-Undangan stuff, so its nice to hear from someone who is educated in that field, I Apreciate that.

so what do you think, do you have any solution for that?

 

[San.geuk]

some people need to learn from history, don't be like Russian, they never learn from their experience, we have those experience in the past, we don't want another same experiences, even when some people try to push those agenda, they should know the cost of their actions, and its not as cheap 2L of minyak goreng price nowadays