Xinjiang Birthrate in 10 years.

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refutations is easy, explaining based on numbers and facts is the hard part.
The general information is Uighurs enjoy preferential treatment while the Han people are reversely discriminated. this is called undisputable fact. Believe me, if you were a Han person, you won't be happy with those affirmative policies.
 

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The general information is Uighurs enjoy preferential treatment while the Han people are reversely discriminated. this is called undisputable fact.
saying "undisputable facts" is easy, explaining why with sudden drop of birth rates is the hard part.


and no, screaming "this is an undisputable facts" will not help you convince people.
 

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saying "undisputable facts" is easy, explaining why with sudden drop of birth rates is the hard part.


and no, screaming "this is an undisputable facts" will not help you convince people.
We always know whatever we do , the western media will always attack us, first Tibet, and Falungong and now Xinjiang, we never expect they will stop, here is just for some discussion. I m not trying to convince anyone here. People had already made up their mind before coming here.
 

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, the western media will always attack us, first Tibet, and Falungong and now Xinjiang, we never expect they will stop, here is just for some discussion.
well at least they got a point, their accusations are followed by facts and numbers, and ironically that numbers came from the Chinese side.
 

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well at least they got a point, their accusations are followed by facts and numbers, and ironically that numbers came from the Chinese side.
Yes, just like they claim Iraq had WMD , we all know western media is always honest of course, especially information about their rivals and enemies.
 

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Yes, just like they claim Iraq had WMD , we all know western media is always honest of course, especially information about their rivals and enemies.
the WMD accusations came from the US government not US media.


see the difference??
 

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Western media alleged that 1 million Uyghurs were detained in China. But where did the number come from?
 

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Spreaded by the media, Xinjiang issues were first brought up by US politicians as well.
no they don't , the western media unlike Chinese media is not state owned, they offer refutations if the facts contradicts.
 

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no they don't , the western media unlike Chinese media is not state owned, they offer refutations if the facts contradicts.
Seemingly, they brainwash people more covertly but effectively, you almost never hear positive reports about Xinjiang, Tibet, povery alleviation... in China from main stream western media, I lived in US, I know how their media works.
 

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Western media alleged that 1 million Uyghurs were detained in China. But where did the number come from?
actually this is one example of why western media is superior, in the west you could accept and rejects accusations , Max Blumenthal rejects the Xinjiang genocide and he appears to be living just OK.

now try this in a countries like China where your life could be in danger if your opinion is the opposite of the state opinion.
 

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Seemingly, they brainwash people more covertly but effectively, you almost never hear positive reports about Xinjiang, Tibet, povery alleviation... in China from main stream western media, I lived in US, I know how their media works.
because everybody knows its a facade.

even Indonesian delegation sent to China doesn't trust you
 

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now try this in a countries like China where your life could be in danger if your opinion is the opposite of the state opinion.
This statement shows exactly how brainwashed you are by the western media.
 

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Based on you belief, those people should've been dead for a long time

 

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Indonesia is ok with China, maybe you are not, but it doesn't matter.
I said Indonesian delegation.

The Story of Indonesian Islamic Organizations to Xinjiang A Closer Look at Uighur Muslims

Raka Dwi Novianto
Tuesday, December 17 2019 - 01:43 WIB

The delegation of Indonesian Islamic Organizations (CSOs) consisting of Muhammadiyah, PBNU and MUI had the opportunity to visit Xinjiang, China to get a close look at the condition of the Xinjiang people, especially Uighur Muslims. During his visit, there were many things that were obtained and seen related to the condition of religious freedom in the Bamboo Curtain country.

The Chairman of MUI's Foreign Relations, Muhyiddin Junaidi said, initially the delegation of Islamic Organizations was invited by the Chinese Embassy in Indonesia to visit the Xinjiang Autonomous Region. (Also read: PP Muhammadiyah Issues 7 Statement on Uighur Muslim Attitudes)

Delegations of Indonesian Islamic Organizations numbered 15 people. Where every mass organization sends 5 people and three journalists from print and electronic media. Arriving in Beijing, the Indonesian Islamic Organizations delegation immediately exchanged with the Ambassador, followed by dinner and gave a brief description of Xinjiang.

"We met with the head of the CIA (China Islamic Association) which happened to be a new council or the Chinese Muslim Association. Not like Muhammadiyah or MUI. He is an extension of the government because there are no government organizations in China. All must be under government control in China," Junaidi said press conference at PP Muhammadiyah Office, Jakarta, Monday (12/16/2019).

When meeting with the CIA, the suspicions of Indonesian Islamic organizations' suspicions arose. It began when a delegation of Islamic Organizations wanted to be delivered to the nearest mosque for prayer in congregation but was not permitted, saying bad weather condition as a reason. In fact, a guest request is usually granted or obeyed as much as possible even if only delivered to the mosque though. "From that moment on we began to suspect, we entered the hotel, indeed there was already a direction of Qibla in each room but it was clear the original and the new were different. We began to be suspicious," he explained.

Suspicions also arose when a reporter wanted to buy cigarettes out of the hotel, and the CIA representative readily refused to go out and buy him everything he needed.

The reporter returned to the hotel and told this to the Indonesian Islamic Organizations delegation. The next day, the CIA deputy chairman invited to the museum of acts of violence perpetrated by the Uighurs to the community in Xinjiang. "He was not convinced that the violence was carried out by the Uighur community as seen from the picture presented, but the name listed was similar to the Uighur community," he said.

The Indonesian Islamic Organizations delegation also visited other places and they increasingly believed there was no religious freedom there. "Visits to several places, mosques, Islamic institutes have increasingly convinced us that there is no religious freedom. Freedom of religion is rather difficult to prove. Why is that? The Chinese Constitution chapter 2 of article 38 says that the Chinese government gives citizens freedom of religion and non-religion, "he said.

After visiting the re-education center where the residents are Uighurs who practice their religion openly demonstratively. In fact, the constitution in China states, religion is applied in a closed room should not be open space, if taken to an open space is considered radical and should be taken to re-education.

"If you are radically sent to re-education center camps, you will be trained for 1 year there to understand the Chinese constitution and understand Mandarin because most Uighurs don't speak Mandarin. So, during re-education is not allowed to pray, read the Koran, it shouldn't be fasting, eating potluck. That's CCTV every corner. So gadgets should not be, cut off from the outside world. Now that's if you pray in an open space is considered radical, "he continued.


On Friday, Friday prayers are filled with grandparents in the same uniform, no children, young people who carry out worship on constitutional grounds. Because religion after 18 years is only allowed. If there is a mother who teaches religion to her children then it is considered radical. "Sadly, we discussed with the deputy chairman of the CIA. So the prayer was to be held for 8 months, for a month for a year," he explained.

After the visit, the delegation of the Indonesian Islamic Organizations immediately delivered the results of the visit to Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi. There were a number of points conveyed among them, the delegation asked the Chinese government to give freedom to Muslims to carry out their worship openly because it was guaranteed by the UN Charter.

"Yes, we handed it over to Mrs. Retno. There were a lot of points. But I didn't know that Mrs. Retno had summoned the Chinese Ambassador or not or had been submitted or not. "Hopefully the Foreign Minister has delivered the Chinese Ambassador who served in Indonesia," he said.

https://nasional.sindonews.com/beri...-ke-xinjiang-melihat-dari-dekat-muslim-uighur
 

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I said Indonesian delegation.

The Story of Indonesian Islamic Organizations to Xinjiang A Closer Look at Uighur Muslims

Raka Dwi Novianto
Tuesday, December 17 2019 - 01:43 WIB

The delegation of Indonesian Islamic Organizations (CSOs) consisting of Muhammadiyah, PBNU and MUI had the opportunity to visit Xinjiang, China to get a close look at the condition of the Xinjiang people, especially Uighur Muslims. During his visit, there were many things that were obtained and seen related to the condition of religious freedom in the Bamboo Curtain country.

The Chairman of MUI's Foreign Relations, Muhyiddin Junaidi said, initially the delegation of Islamic Organizations was invited by the Chinese Embassy in Indonesia to visit the Xinjiang Autonomous Region. (Also read: PP Muhammadiyah Issues 7 Statement on Uighur Muslim Attitudes)

Delegations of Indonesian Islamic Organizations numbered 15 people. Where every mass organization sends 5 people and three journalists from print and electronic media. Arriving in Beijing, the Indonesian Islamic Organizations delegation immediately exchanged with the Ambassador, followed by dinner and gave a brief description of Xinjiang.

"We met with the head of the CIA (China Islamic Association) which happened to be a new council or the Chinese Muslim Association. Not like Muhammadiyah or MUI. He is an extension of the government because there are no government organizations in China. All must be under government control in China," Junaidi said press conference at PP Muhammadiyah Office, Jakarta, Monday (12/16/2019).

When meeting with the CIA, the suspicions of Indonesian Islamic organizations' suspicions arose. It began when a delegation of Islamic Organizations wanted to be delivered to the nearest mosque for prayer in congregation but was not permitted, saying bad weather condition as a reason. In fact, a guest request is usually granted or obeyed as much as possible even if only delivered to the mosque though. "From that moment on we began to suspect, we entered the hotel, indeed there was already a direction of Qibla in each room but it was clear the original and the new were different. We began to be suspicious," he explained.

Suspicions also arose when a reporter wanted to buy cigarettes out of the hotel, and the CIA representative readily refused to go out and buy him everything he needed.

The reporter returned to the hotel and told this to the Indonesian Islamic Organizations delegation. The next day, the CIA deputy chairman invited to the museum of acts of violence perpetrated by the Uighurs to the community in Xinjiang. "He was not convinced that the violence was carried out by the Uighur community as seen from the picture presented, but the name listed was similar to the Uighur community," he said.

The Indonesian Islamic Organizations delegation also visited other places and they increasingly believed there was no religious freedom there. "Visits to several places, mosques, Islamic institutes have increasingly convinced us that there is no religious freedom. Freedom of religion is rather difficult to prove. Why is that? The Chinese Constitution chapter 2 of article 38 says that the Chinese government gives citizens freedom of religion and non-religion, "he said.

After visiting the re-education center where the residents are Uighurs who practice their religion openly demonstratively. In fact, the constitution in China states, religion is applied in a closed room should not be open space, if taken to an open space is considered radical and should be taken to re-education.

"If you are radically sent to re-education center camps, you will be trained for 1 year there to understand the Chinese constitution and understand Mandarin because most Uighurs don't speak Mandarin. So, during re-education is not allowed to pray, read the Koran, it shouldn't be fasting, eating potluck. That's CCTV every corner. So gadgets should not be, cut off from the outside world. Now that's if you pray in an open space is considered radical, "he continued.


On Friday, Friday prayers are filled with grandparents in the same uniform, no children, young people who carry out worship on constitutional grounds. Because religion after 18 years is only allowed. If there is a mother who teaches religion to her children then it is considered radical. "Sadly, we discussed with the deputy chairman of the CIA. So the prayer was to be held for 8 months, for a month for a year," he explained.

After the visit, the delegation of the Indonesian Islamic Organizations immediately delivered the results of the visit to Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi. There were a number of points conveyed among them, the delegation asked the Chinese government to give freedom to Muslims to carry out their worship openly because it was guaranteed by the UN Charter.

"Yes, we handed it over to Mrs. Retno. There were a lot of points. But I didn't know that Mrs. Retno had summoned the Chinese Ambassador or not or had been submitted or not. "Hopefully the Foreign Minister has delivered the Chinese Ambassador who served in Indonesia," he said.

https://nasional.sindonews.com/beri...-ke-xinjiang-melihat-dari-dekat-muslim-uighur
Could, but China only cares about your government stance.
 

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Indonesia's former deputy House speaker praises Xinjiang's development

Former Deputy Speaker of the Indonesian House of Representatives Fahri Hamzah has been to China's Xinjiang Ugyur Autonomous Region and surprised by its development.

He said he visited almost ever city in central Asia and Urumqi stands out as the most modern and developed. No doubt about it but the western media will never tell you this fact.

 

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yes, our government stance says nothing about the sudden drop in birth rates, and that of your whole argument
I guess your government also doesn't answer to every random twitter post.
 

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