Hope UAE gets bigger ships although the Gowind 2500s will be very important assets compared to what they have now.
It is vital to cooperate in all domains with India considering their regional and global importance.
Hope UAE gets bigger ships although the Gowind 2500s will be very important assets compared to what they have now.
Bit of sport talk with the Indonesians:
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Regardless these humble folk (rising by their own effort and hardwork solely) prove the sparks and embers are there, ready to turn into fire.
Pakistan has to find way to take these embers to generate fire....rather than throw them to the wind and see if they stay lit.
This ember nurturing was extreme neglected process in India too for longest time (and still has huge entrenchment to overcome), so I know what is being confronted in Pakistan's case even more.
Maybe Pak Fauj and overseas expatriates can play big role here (for this steady nurture environment which need dedication for span of 10+ years to get started)....rather than rely on pakistan civvy govt sports board and civvy govt support (and corruption + drama there) etc.
These sons of soil like Nadeem speak at deeper level to what true nationalism is, if you read their story, struggle against odds and raw perseverance. They do lot more with the few cards they got dealt than the ones that had all the cards given to them, and just fritter and blabber it away.
It is why true nationalism in end actually reaches and strikes true nationalism veins in other countries like nothing else can (even if countries have whatever deep grievance and divide between them).
We recognise that stuff at deeper and subconscious level than the fake-blah stuff.
When your life is full of doing (often by the raw circumstance alone for survival) , rather than complaining, whining and whatever other elitist buffer time allows....you tend to be best your nation has.
Bridging these folks to real opportunity is the only answer to our region's deep set problems.
Pakistan has to find way to take these embers to generate fire....rather than throw them to the wind and see if they stay lit.
Respect from the south...
"Realised My Unfinished Dream": PT Usha Congratulates Neeraj Chopra
Among the millions who congratulated Neeraj Chopra for winning India's first Olympics Gold in athletics was legendary sprinter P T Usha, who missed a place on the podium in the 1984 Games by a whisker.www.ndtv.com
BTW, there was also Pakistani javelin thrower I was keeping an eye on (Arshad Nadeem).
Guy has bigger frame than Neeraj, and there would be more like him waiting to be nurtured and developed to get to the apex realm. Then its matter of consistency and luck. He would have medalled if he got closer to his personal best.
He is big hearted guy, and Neeraj is hero to him:
Pakistan’s Arshad Nadeem congratulates his ‘hero’ Neeraj Chopra on winning gold for India
Arshad Nadeem lauded his rival Neeraj Chopra for grabbing the gold medal at the javelin final in Tokyo Olympicswww.geosuper.tv
Maybe @Waz @Saiyan0321 @Kaptaan et al. can tell us a bit more about him and what their general thoughts on PK sports these days.
Waz is one I particularly would appreciate going through this thread and giving us some points to muse on if he would like ....as I remember having friendly chat with Waz about our wrestlers (on both sides of border) back in 2018 CWG I believe...iirc there was good sportsmanship+friendship between Muhammad Inam and Somveer Kadian at the medal ceremony.
It seems to me that Pakistan is stuck even more in the problems that India faced (and faces still though there is slow improvement now), with too much focus on monolith (Cricket) + usual corruption every endeavour attracts in south asia...and this severely detracts ability to grow other sports vertically at the apex process and intensity needed.
My friend the state of Pakistani sports other than cricket (not that's any good either) is total bakwas. The lack, actually the non-existent funding is a national scandal. We have senior people in the Pakistani Olympic Committee having done nothing for the past 17 years and still collecting pay cheques.
However that looks to change, as the mass uproar regarding what happened at the games is all over social media and the press, with people turning their ire on cricket and the PCO. Admittedly cricket is not funded by the government so the whole thing about funds being diverted is not true. However the national obsession with it certainly does hurt other sports.
Anger surged when Pakistani athletes with no training facilities still made respectable finishes. Look at Talib making 4 just out of the medals. If I told you Pakistani lifters trained with fourth grade weights in the open, you'd think I'm mad, sadly not this is the reality.
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Here is a documentary on Talib from the BBC in Urdu, I know your Hindi is good. It's heartbreaking what the guy comes out with.
I was on the strength forums and many Indian guys in India and elsewhere actually cheered him on, and were proud that a desi guy could out lift so many. Look at the comments from the YouTube video from Indian viewers;
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Taking away the Indo v Pak thing people in both regions feel proud that a native of our lands can compete with the best. He was the only subcontinent lifter to place in the top ten in any division.
Again it's the same story with Nadeem Arshad the Javelin thrower who got 5th, who again God knows how he got there.
He has better facilities courtesy of wait for it PSL. Yep you read that correct PSL. Could you imagine the IPL offering their facilities to train Indian olympians. Yes it's a nice gesture but India's massive social media users would be screaming murder!
From the looks of it the dude just trains in Pakistan....
Just some decent investment could swing the game, I could just imagine India and Pakistan on the podium together. It nearly happened with the Javelin.
Going back to this respect even cheering for the athletes of the other nation. India's wrestlers did a mighty job;
Ravi Kumar 57kg silver.
Bajrang Bajrang 65kg bronze.
Deepak Punia 4th 86kg.
I put up a thread in their honour elsewhere. Many Pakistanis loved their determination and strength. Some Indian posters were a little critical but these shortsighted folks don't understand the wealth of experience these guys will bring back to India'a next generation and current crop of wrestlers. Gold is well within their sights.
India has done well to get over their glut of cricket, and have started to look elsewhere, hence the dividends being reaped. Sadly Pakistan is still asleep.
you can label people all you want if that makes you feel better, undisputed fact is that hindutva nacism is on the rise and threatening, your waffling around the bush will not change it. clean your house first then talk from higher ground like you have some objective opinion.I will wait for @LegionnairE response (and any other true Turk nationalists replies that are interested).....
Then I might respond to this casual throwing around of terms like "Nazi" by some crypto-islamist....w.r.t this topic at large and the consistencies needed as first principle in order to do that....if it is even relevant to do so going forward.
The extreme-islamist (who made some awful degenerate replies, some of which got a like from the crypto-islamist) needs no response as he has been show the door....and his sewage-riddled posts have been deleted.
And honestly the true turk nationalists (there are quite a number of you to list, number of you with Ataturk in DP) and true bosnian nationalist @Bosanski Vojnik here are 100% correct about one of these guys and folks of that sort in general.
I am happy their warped vision and ideology gets to recede more and more by crushing reality.
I suppose that will make their voices more shrill and shrill too. Oh well.
What inevitably happens when you try to establish a civil discourse (numbers and rational facts) and these kind of people are around in the mix taking advantage of any good-faith approach given and dumping all over it to get some easy kick (because they are crap at real life lets face it), is quite disgusting.
Hope for the extreme-type sake, he is just some zoomer kid....if he is older than that, thats pretty sad to imagine.
This lunatic bitterness is just never far from them.....You defeat them in here or out there (where it counts lot more)...and it just gets worse...as they have merged ideology with their own narcissism...and reality check doesn't quite make its way to them fast enough or ever (the world is big with lot of insular spots)
I'll never forget how bunch of them got triggered in most vile way when discussing Ataturk the one time (I forgot if it was here or previous place).
Pre-Islamic Turkic culture/roots is another one that always gets them going too.
So its easy to see if thats the case as it is for Turkey to begin with, what chance of fair discussion other Civs and cultures even have with them.
Its even funnier and more ironic when they aren't even Turkish to begin with....then some launder extra flags past even their other assumed+projected identity. Talk about shameless.
Anyway I will make it clear, I am only interested in sustained dialogue on this matter with actual Turks here.
you can label people all you want if that makes you feel better, undisputed fact is that hindutva nacism is on the rise and threatening, your waffling around the bush will not change it. clean your house first then talk from higher ground like you have some objective opinion.
No, bro. the guy that chanted was arrested and released on bail like he is not threat for community, this kind of shit is state sponsored and then some guy from canada have audacity to label people around as some kind of islamists and lecture us about our connections with turkish people and state.I hope India can cool this off. Religious wars or race wars or pogroms are counter productive. Hindu extremists and Muslim extremists are two sides of the same coin.
India suffered the partitions along with Pakistan also had many pogroms or religious clashes between Muslims and Hindus.
Most Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus all have cool heads but its you know the loud ones that just want their world to burn.
Will watch on weekend , any reviews ?For those interested, the movie is out on Amazon Prime. Thankfully not very jinogistic like the Sunny Deol movies of yore.
I hope India can cool this off. Religious wars or race wars or pogroms are counter productive. Hindu extremists and Muslim extremists are two sides of the same coin.
India suffered the partitions along with Pakistan also had many pogroms or religious clashes between Muslims and Hindus.
Most Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus all have cool heads but its you know the loud ones that just want their world to burn.
Madras Cafe was brilliant. I saw shershaah, mostly forwarded the romantic track. But it's well made and resonates well.Will watch on weekend , any reviews ?
Only movie which sets some high standards which war cum intelligence drama was Madras Cafe ( I watched that movie 7-8 times)
I find that Sikhs are usually the least prone to extremism among the three major religions of that region but maybe I'm just not educated well-enough about their history. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Hindutva or Islamist moron somewhere but Sikhs seem generally cool.
I still remember the Kargil , we have one of my school senior who got Mahavir Chakra but Vikram Batra was class apart , god bless such soulsMadras Cafe was brilliant. I saw shershaah, mostly forwarded the romantic track. But it's well made and resonates well.
Huh, really? I thought Sikhs didn't have that veneration for cows that Hindus do.Dude the Sikhs roasted a Muslim guy just for eating beef during Sikh rule.
Huh, really? I thought Sikhs didn't have that veneration for cows that Hindus do.
you can label people all you want if that makes you feel better, undisputed fact is that hindutva nacism is on the rise and threatening, your waffling around the bush will not change it. clean your house first then talk from higher ground like you have some objective opinion.