Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[Ravager]

Produce their 105, 155, and Rockets munitions locally first!

Vietnam has like 1000 guns but most of them are old cold war soviet stock

Looking at it tho, it is obvious that battle-ready ones are far less than what the raw numbers suggest

For comparison, the French Army has like 100 heavy artillery but I think wouldn't say Vietnam is stronger than France no?

What is peculiar is that they have massive numbers of logistics vehicles (7000+) compared to the number of combat vehicles. They know the real deal in war.

Moreover, I am very intrigued by their Jaguar, I think they can operate well in Indonesian geography

PT. Pindad (Persero) - Pindad Tandatangani MoU Terkait Munisi Dengan Nexter Group

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PT. Pindad (Persero) - MUNISI 105 mm

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Since 2014 they said they are interested in producing CAESAR 155mm munition, but no further update on that

155 mm weren't on the table as yet .

 

[chibiyabi]

Unfortunately right now they are not the one who need to be deterred.

But borneo is a good choice though. To deterre IKN invader.

nope the best place to put the thing is sumatera, cause geographically nearest to hot zones area that can be created by northern giant walking to south via myanmar, thailand, malaysia. that why sumatera needs more attention regarding infrastructurs and military hardware, colek si mado

 

[HellFireIndo]

nope the best place to put the thing is sumatera, cause geographically nearest to hot zones area that can be created by northern giant walking to south via myanmar, thailand, malaysia. that why sumatera needs more attention regarding infrastructurs and military hardware, colek si mado

When the Japanese military invaded, they mainly went through Kalimantan's sea, while Sumatra's side later. It was due to the fact that an invading army from the north, needs to secure Malaya first before invading Sumatra. On top of that, the Japs opened by para dropping on Palembang, only after that landed by sea, occupying Bangka first.

Every chokepoints count, being predictable by focusing only on Sumatra's eastern side literally caused Sriwijaya to be defeated by Chola. Because they expected the enemy to appear only on that side, and later got surprised attacked from the west and south. All ALKI are important, we cannot neglect one for another.

 

[HellFireIndo]

 

[Madokafc]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=4684373751670931&id=181276675314017

Look like they have put BMS as standard on Anoa command vehicles

 

[Gary]

An odd country. Purchasing TBM for the army which hits and threaten no one outside of Indonesian borders, while its air force are forced to strike with short range missiles and dumb bombs.

Lol

 

[Van Kravchenko]

An odd country. Purchasing TBM for the army which hits and threaten no one outside of Indonesian borders, while its air force are forced to strike with short range missiles and dumb bombs.

Lol

if its only around 300 KM, even Iskandar didn't make any sense since all around SEA neighboring states are more leaning to depends on Indonesia.

who will we try to deter ? perhaps top brass want a big headline about ITBM on Max Defense Page.

dunno, i think long range cruise missile still make sense to me for preemptive strike

 

[Lordimperator]

Is true that Khan Tactical Ballistic Missile is a licensed of M20 chinese Missile?

 

[Lordimperator]

It would be funnier if they placed TBM in Java or other places far from border and cringe content creator make "TBM bikin ketar ketir TNI negara tetangga!" video.

Placed it near Sabah Sarawak border

 

[joedhie2k]

the army is used to vshorad.. that is why they can only think of vsrbm

 

[HellFireIndo]

People forget that alutsista is attached to units, and units are attached to bigger units.

You do not use alutsista in singles, but in numbers to serve a particular purpose in a unit.

So do not see this as "what Khan is capable to do as an individual machine, according to our expectation". But "what role Khan will serve in an Army unit". It is obvious this stuff will be a part of Armed, and Armed is always a part of a larger combat unit. Therefore is meant to add firepower and not operated independently.

It is a misconception to expect this FIELD ARTILLERY to serve as COASTAL DEFENSE. Did someone forget that we already have Neptune ordered for the coastal defense role? The video clearly compares Khan to CAESAR, and not to a "cruise missile". This is why learning military organization and tactics are important, and not just the technology.

 

[Anmdt]

Is true that Khan Tactical Ballistic Missile is a licensed of M20 chinese Missile?

J600T (hence the name) is the licensed production from 1990s. Khan is an independent product.

*Gotta correct myself
Khan (Bora), Kasırga and J600T was made in cooperation with China.
Only J600T was bound to a license (however i doubt this since i recall back then the Army had forced an independent rights on the missile and components it uses, to adopt western electronics and command structure), Tiger (Kasırga) and Khan (Bora) is not bound to a license and does not rely on China to continue production or to export, upgrade or modify. Latter two was completed within ToT & Know-how transfer.

Possibly neither of the missiles use Chinese electronics but western-NATO or Turkish alternatives.

 

[joedhie2k]

People forget that alutsista is attached to units, and units are attached to bigger units.

You do not use alutsista in singles, but in numbers to serve a particular purpose in a unit.

So do not see this as "what Khan is capable to do as an individual machine, according to our expectation". But "what role Khan will serve in an Army unit". It is obvious this stuff will be a part of Armed, and Armed is always a part of a larger combat unit. Therefore is meant to add firepower and not operated independently.

It is a misconception to expect this FIELD ARTILLERY to serve as COASTAL DEFENSE. Did someone forget that we already have Neptune ordered for the coastal defense role? The video clearly compares Khan to CAESAR, and not to a "cruise missile". This is why learning military organization and tactics are important, and not just the technology.

yea but why not increase astros capabilities? they have similar missile with that range
or better as the turks to mod their missile into astros launchers; why need different system altogether?

 

[HellFireIndo]

yea but why not increase astros capabilities? they have similar missile with that range
or better as the turks to mod their missile into astros launchers; why need different system altogether?

Well, capability is capability, and it's not a zero-sum game either, one acquisition does not always mean canceling another. The fact that we even added more weapons to our inventory is good enough.

But it is just laughable to criticize field artillery on their coastal defense capability. It is as absurd as criticizing ASTROS because it cannot be used to hit aircraft carriers, not their purpose!

 

[chibiyabi]

yea but why not increase astros capabilities? they have similar missile with that range
or better as the turks to mod their missile into astros launchers; why need different system altogether?

some say, the development astros 300 way to long, 08 do not want to wait, and the army want it ASAP

 

[Madokafc]

yea but why not increase astros capabilities? they have similar missile with that range
or better as the turks to mod their missile into astros launchers; why need different system altogether?

610 mm caliber, 7,8 meter length 2500 kg weight per Missile, the length of the Missiles itself more longer than the Astros MLRS launch vehicle, let alone the pods.

Technically it can't do

 

[joedhie2k]

Well, capability is capability, and it's not a zero-sum game either, one acquisition does not always mean canceling another. The fact that we even added more weapons to our inventory is good enough.

But it is just laughable to criticize field artillery on their coastal defense capability. It is as absurd as criticizing ASTROS because it cannot be used to hit aircraft carriers, not their purpose!

thats not my point, i just criticize on adding new type of equipment for a similiar type
adding more weapon while introducing new type is not always a good thing

logistic and training may run into problem

some say, the development astros 300 way to long, 08 do not want to wait, and the army want it ASAP

can he pay ASAP?

 

[Umigami]

What's truck platform fou our khan?
I don't think the same Belarusian 8x8 like Turkey.

 

[chibiyabi]

thats not my point, i just criticize on adding new type of equipment for a similiar type
adding more weapon while introducing new type is not always a good thing

logistic and training may run into problem


can he pay ASAP?

i think he don't care how we must pay, he just want the boys can get the toys ASAP, payment isn't Defence Minister Jobs descriptions , proper way of thinking as a defence minister

 

[Madokafc]

What's truck platform fou our khan?
I don't think the same Belarusian 8x8 like Turkey.

Iveco, Tatra, should be on the forefront