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Video Interview:
Roketsan General Manager Murat Ikinci:

"SIPER with a range of 150 kilometers is coming."


If this is the version that's going to be quadpacked in MİLDAS, then only thing left is ABM.


I can't comprehend how big of a force multiplier it will be, it will turn a small-medium sized frigate VLS capability to an air defence one, insane
 

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We can make our own ABM but we need 5 -7 years for it. We want to shorten the time if it is possible.
 

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Levent CIWS Sungur+ missile
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Great news. In order to do away with a rolling missile, they are using a 4 x RF antenna set up instead of 2 antennas used in RIM-116, on what looks like a hybrid seeker head.
Levent, CAKIR and Siper missiles joining the long inventory list of indigenous weapons is putting Turkey even more seriously on the map.
We now need to hurry and get these important and game changer weapons in serial production phase.
 

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I think different.

Iirc Gökdeniz-ER is supposed to use Bozdoğan or Gökdoğan

Gokdeniz-ER : shown below is work of Aselsan and Tubitak Sage
No clear information on the missiles to be used. But as you mentioned is thought to be a derivative of Bozdogan.
Basically thought as a stand alone unit with its own Aesa based radar system.
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Levent Missile system: is developed by Roketsan.
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It would be interesting to know what missile they used to develop this new “evolved” Sungur. It certainly looks much beefier than standard Sungur missile.
 

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i have a question.
is it possible to use EIRS radar to guide the missiles to the general proximity of a stealth fighter and using the missile's onboard seeker, score a stealth fighter plane kill?
and if we can, how effective it would be?
 

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I wonder where is siper's fire control radar! And How long it will remain hidden! Clearly the search radar ERIS already has been shown publicaly.
Who knows?

Maybe they want to use EIRS with some and some with FCR+EIRS
 

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i have a question.
is it possible to use EIRS radar to guide the missiles to the general proximity of a stealth fighter and using the missile's onboard seeker, score a stealth fighter plane kill?
and if we can, how effective it would be?
ERIS and the upcoming FCR will have limited anti stealth capability anyway. it will be able to guide a siper interceptor precisely to a.... let's say a f35 up to 60 or even 80 km away. ( if you do the math with the f35 RCS and capability of STR from which FCR supposed to be derived from, this is a fairly accurate estimation ) but the full anti stealth capability of shooting down a f35 up to 150 km away or more probably not very realistic. ( which russians falsely claims to have the ability with their s400 )
 
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But still there is a problem how tiny RF seeker of the missile engage on stealth material while FCR can guide?

Moreover İ doubt the numbers ( 30km/60km).
No one could know it except Americans.
First you should have a F-35 to examine it.
 

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But still there is a problem how tiny RF seeker of the missile engage on stealth material while FCR can guide?

Moreover İ doubt the numbers ( 30km/60km).
No one could know it except Americans.
First you should have a F-35 to examine it.
Well sir! As you suggested, for examination I am gonna order an f35 on amazon! Just kidding. My calculation simlpy based on oficial press released information of both f35 and aselsan's STR. ( that's as far as i can get )

so firstly, f35 isn't all band stealth. Some fan boy gonna claim that. but that's not correct. Out side the S and X band domain f35's low observablity ( or for that matter, any stealth fighter's low observability ) decrease. So, the US Air Force's official press release about f35's RCS being size of a golf ball which mean 0.0015 is mostly related to S and X band domain.

Remamber, all the fire control radars siting on the noses of fighters are X band. And in case of ground based fire control radars they are also mostly between X and S bands and lately there are some are C band. ( note, I am not talking here about target illumination radars ).

Now let's talk about siper, 'tiny' ku band seeker can acquire low observable target if there is a two way data link which can guide the interceptor until the very last moment. ( So this isn't a big issue. And I think siper has a two way data link ) and also, in the future blocks siper is likely to gain a ka band seeker just like the one on aster 30 block 1nt. Which is very useful in acquiring low RCS targets.

Now, about STR ( on which FCR is likely to based on ) it can detect a Katyusha-type artillery rocket from 100km according to the defenceturkey.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...EQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw108cQ2jtyvA-U023jTRnNo

now, katyusha is 122mm rocket with a typical RCS of 0.1m. So when we do the math with f35's RCS to determine the detection and tracking range with fourth roots calculation, it is important to remamber that f35's said RCS ( 0.0015 ) is not all aspects but a frontal one. ( which is very useful against another fighter in head to head mode )

However, when the ground based FCR looks at f35 from a below Angel some surface area on the jet will be exposed which has less RCS than frontal section. And It is likely to be then somewhere in between 0.008m and 0.05m. So when we do the math based on that the detection and tracking range of an f35 for FCR will be somewhere in between 60 to 80 km.

Note, this is my personal opinion based on my personal knowledge. So don't take it too seriously and please do not accuse me of disinformation.
 
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