TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Baryshx]

Are our borders our honor? Because our honor is being violated.

This is how thousands of Afghans entered the country under the supervision of the Gendarmerie.
There is not one woman, child or old among them!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592779208279085057

 

[Lool]

Are our borders our honor? Because our honor is being violated.

This is how thousands of Afghans entered the country under the supervision of the Gendarmerie.
There is not one woman, child or old among them!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1592779208279085057

Gendarmerie personnel involved in such incidents should be fired

Btw, expect more refugees from many more countries in the near future
Taliban is screwing shit up even more in Afghanistan and more people are trying to escape; Afghans dont wanna stay in Iraq or Pakistan as they are impoverished AF! They will primarily go to Turkey or Europe

 

[Ryder]

A lot of Muslim countries need to start enacting NK like policies.

Build walls and secret police to stop people leaving.

You are losing manpower while at the same time other people need to carry their burden.

 

[Lool]

A lot of Muslim countries need to start enacting NK like policies.

Build walls and secret police to stop people leaving.

You are losing manpower while at the same time other people need to carry their burden.

This is where you go wrong when it comes to dictators

DICTATORS love having ppl escape the country since those who mainky escape are those with higher qualification standard, or with some sort of monetary funding! This only leaves the poor uneducated bums and this aids dictators to solidify their grip on power within their respective countries. Countries like Egypt havent been stoping scientists, doctors, or even engineers from leaving the country and taking up new nationalities for a reason. The same is with countries like Sudan, Iran, Tunisia, Syria, Afghanistan etc.....

The only countries with democracy within the Med East are both Turkey and Israel and that is why most dictators within the Med East hate the current Turkey to the core. During the 2016 coup, they were one of the first supporters of the military and kept saying how the Turkish ppl protesting their military are Islamic radicals supporting terrorism. Now such countries are on the brink of economic collapse while Turkey is having renowed export success and technological milestones being achieved (although with high inflation)

 

[Rodeo]

A lot of Muslim countries need to start enacting NK like policies.

Build walls and secret police to stop people leaving.

You are losing manpower while at the same time other people need to carry their burden.

When I heard Ümit Özdağ's plan about mining the Syrian border for the first time, I though it was absurd and inhumane. But since then I've come around to his point and I think we have to mine our entire southern and eastern border with the exception of checkpoints and the border gates. We have no other practical option if we want to prevent illegal immigration and further degeneration of the social structure. Whoever wants to come to our country should take the legal procedures to become eligible. This is not just for today. In the future, whenever there's a war around us or a crisis(water crisis for instance) the first country of choice for a sanctuary will be Turkey. And we cannot let those mass-movements pouring into the country uncontrolled, again.

 

[Nilgiri]

Egypt will implode unless Sisi changes course or a sizeable Saudi/UAE financial help is given to extend the implosion process. IMF loans can't save Egypt. Egypt has a population of 100 million, and an uncompetitive military-controlled economy that exports only 40bllion annually.

Talk of any country imploding is premature. Relative to Egypt, far more economically sound countries have imploded and far less economically sound ones have not.

In current world snapshot for example, if you more than double Egypt's population, halve its GDP, halve its exports and quarter its forex reserves (i.e essentially 4 - 8 times less competitiveness and competency w.r.t a similar military controlled economy), you get Pakistan.

But I doubt you will see Pakistan implode (this century) per se, just suffer a lot of consequences that build up.

This is because of a whole combination of other factors at play and drastically more unbacked liquidity at large as the operating norm in the 21st century world financial system compared to how it was in say the 20th century.

Combine that with enough oligarch + political class insularity of a specific country in its specific context (and the relative low amount of guns and coercion and all else needed to maintain that depending on the country's nuances) means you cannot predict implosions, as a small privy purse set can be backed relatively indefinitely by whichever financier wanting some more leverage.

More precisely, no country should base its foreign policy expecting another to implode. Always plan for worst case scenario where your rivals and opponents persevere or even strengthen. If they do not by whatever combination of reasons, that is on them, and your relative over-preparation and accumulated strength will be a benefit to you at that point anyway.

 

[Ryder]

This is where you go wrong when it comes to dictators

DICTATORS love having ppl escape the country since those who mainky escape are those with higher qualification standard, or with some sort of monetary funding! This only leaves the poor uneducated bums and this aids dictators to solidify their grip on power within their respective countries. Countries like Egypt havent been stoping scientists, doctors, or even engineers from leaving the country and taking up new nationalities for a reason. The same is with countries like Sudan, Iran, Tunisia, Syria, Afghanistan etc.....

The only countries with democracy within the Med East are both Turkey and Israel and that is why most dictators within the Med East hate the current Turkey to the core. During the 2016 coup, they were one of the first supporters of the military and kept saying how the Turkish ppl protesting their military are Islamic radicals supporting terrorism. Now such countries are on the brink of economic collapse while Turkey is having renowed export success and technological milestones being achieved (although with high inflation)

Typical middle east.

You will either end up with a Secular or Religious dictatorship.

Balkans, Middle East and the Caucasus are all disfunctional.

Lets not forget Eastern Europe.

When it comes to Turkiye all our neighbours have problems from wars, poverty, oppression, economic problems and terrorism.

Turkiye is in a neighbourhood where its daily chaos.

Honestly I sometimes see the benefit in Australia's Geography.

Our biggest drawback is we are too far but our biggest benefit is nobody can touch us or even invade us. You dont have mass migration because our walls are the oceans. I dont agree with mass migration its still sad with people drowning trying to get themselves into Australia.

Not to mention we barely have kind of spillovers from our neighbours mainly oceania im talking about. Also our lands are surrounded by waters.

Australia's interior is big most of our country is semi arid but in times of war most of our cities are located in the coasts which means they can be targeted which is another drawback.

Then again Australia's military has been more focused on Air power and Navy while our land forces wont be getting all the attention but still needed for land defence.

Turkiye's geopgraphic position is both a curse and a blessing. Thats why Turkiye has such a big place in geopolitics because its the bridge between Europe and Asia.

Also the land of empires. How many empires and kingdoms that have come gone trying to control this bridge of land.

Turkiye was so important for the Romans hence why they made Constantinople their capital.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Sweden amends constitution to boost anti-terror law as demanded by Türkiye

Lawmakers vote in favour to fortify "anti-terrorism law", paving way for easier criminal proceedings against members of PKK/YPG, FETO and other terror outfits — part of a deal with Ankara to approve NATO membership bids of Stockholm and Helsinki.

www.trtworld.com

 

[TheInsider]

Talk of any country imploding is premature. Relative to Egypt, far more economically sound countries have imploded and far less economically sound ones have not.

In current world snapshot for example, if you more than double Egypt's population, halve its GDP, halve its exports and quarter its forex reserves (i.e essentially 4 - 8 times less competitiveness and competency w.r.t a similar military controlled economy), you get Pakistan.

But I doubt you will see Pakistan implode (this century) per se, just suffer a lot of consequences that build up.

This is because of a whole combination of other factors at play and drastically more unbacked liquidity at large as the operating norm in the 21st century world financial system compared to how it was in say the 20th century.

Combine that with enough oligarch + political class insularity of a specific country in its specific context (and the relative low amount of guns and coercion and all else needed to maintain that depending on the country's nuances) means you cannot predict implosions, as a small privy purse set can be backed relatively indefinitely by whichever financier wanting some more leverage.

More precisely, no country should base its foreign policy expecting another to implode. Always plan for worst case scenario where your rivals and opponents persevere or even strengthen. If they do not by whatever combination of reasons, that is on them, and your relative over-preparation and accumulated strength will be a benefit to you at that point anyway.

Pakistan can and will also implode without Chinese assistance.

 

[Afif]

Pakistan can and will also implode without Chinese assistance.

Well, then, let me tell what you guys here tell often me when it comes to middle east.

'You have incomplete understanding of sub contintent's socio-cultural and socio-political structures.

Pakistan, BD and India all three gone through way more worst periods than the current one, both economically and politically.
and yet, non of these countries imploded.

Even without chinese help, Pakistan is very unlikely to implode anytime soon or even in 30years in the future.

 

[TheInsider]

BTW when I say implode I mean economic implosion and internal turmoil tied to economic problems like regime change. I'm not talking about the partition of the state into smaller entities. Even Turkiye is barely hanging on economically. IMHO we passed the worst of the worst but we have a critical year ahead. There is still a sizeable danger of economical implosion. Most of the economic problems will be history after 2025-2026. To sum it up, neither Egypt nor Pakistan can survive economically without the help of their financiers.

 

[Asena_great]

When I heard Ümit Özdağ's plan about mining the Syrian border for the first time, I though it was absurd and inhumane. But since then I've come around to his point and I think we have to mine our entire southern and eastern border with the exception of checkpoints and the border gates. We have no other practical option if we want to prevent illegal immigration and further degeneration of the social structure. Whoever wants to come to our country should take the legal procedures to become eligible. This is not just for today. In the future, whenever there's a war around us or a crisis(water crisis for instance) the first country of choice for a sanctuary will be Turkey. And we cannot let those mass-movements pouring into the country uncontrolled, again.

those borders were mined 20 years ago when akp came to power they sign the Ottawa treaty thus beginning to removal of the mines Ümit Özdağ just want to undo what akp have done

 

[Asena_great]

Egypt will implode

guess who is taking a lots of Egyptian immigrant yes its turkey and remember they are not normal Muslims like others (syrian iraqi etc are bad enough btw ) Egypt is heart of cancer of Islamism if you wonder why afganistan and pakistan become what they are now the reason is Egypt and their Egyptian students . Egypt is like Harvard of terrorist most famous jihadist study there . do you know which tarikat leader studied in Egypt ?? its Alparslan Kuytul and his furkan tarikatı whom feed a lots of Turkish youth to isis

 

[Afif]

guess who is taking a lots of Egyptian immigrant yes its turkey and remember they are not normal Muslims like others (syrian iraqi etc are bad enough btw ) Egypt is heart of cancer of Islamism if you wonder why afganistan and pakistan become what they are now the reason is Egypt and their Egyptian students . Egypt is like Harvard of terrorist most famous jihadist study there . do you know which tarikat leader studied in Egypt ?? its Alparslan Kuytul and his furkan tarikatı whom feed a lots of Turkish youth to isis

i sense self righteousness and prejudice.

 

[Baryshx]

those borders were mined 20 years ago when akp came to power they sign the Ottawa treaty thus beginning to removal of the mines Ümit Özdağ just want to undo what akp have done

I was going to write it, but you wrote it. Officially, the project of betrayal, will a country in such a geography clear the mines on its borders? Our environment is the world terror center... Do we have to sign for Ottawa?

With this agreement, the mines on the Iranian border were also removed.

As the Turkish nation, do we have to put up with the hordes of ignorant and bigoted people from Sunni, Shiite, Afghan, Syrian and Pakistani? Just as the level of education increased and the illiterate decreased in Turkey... this time, these people who had just come out of the cave came.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I was going to write it, but you wrote it. Officially, the project of betrayal, will a country in such a geography clear the mines on its borders? Our environment is the world terror center... Do we have to sign for Ottawa?

With this agreement, the mines on the Iranian border were also removed.

As the Turkish nation, do we have to put up with the hordes of ignorant and bigoted people from Sunni, Shiite, Afghan, Syrian and Pakistani? Just as the level of education increased and the illiterate decreased in Turkey... this time, these people who had just come out of the cave came.

Clearly incredible levels of treason are going on within Turkey.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593535768215052289

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593535768215052289

needs to start winning for Turkey, we got a big mess in syria and russia is half the problem there.

 

[Zafer]

İnsani Gelişme Endeksi - Vikipedi

tr.wikipedia.org

Seems like Türkiye has risen to 48th position in the Human Development Index in which 66 and up is considered as a developed nation.

 

[Nilgiri]

Pakistan can and will also implode without Chinese assistance.

Of the roughly 66 billion USD Pakistan earned from the world in 2021 (exports and remittance combined in current account), China provided maybe 3 billion of it.

i.e about 5% of the total.

So I don't think so, especially given what I already mentioned in the new global economic setting of vast amount of relatively unbacked USD liquidity (and where these have accumulated outside the US, who then are able to gain leverage for minimal political cost eg gulf countries w.r.t Pakistan).

i.e much of the actual implosion risk is leveraged back to the US (which puts a large cap on it than any other could given its abundance of hard and soft power) via this debt policy setting change (in 21st century) from 6 trillion to now more than 30 trillion (and no end to it in sight)....and this is just the public side.

This (China being just 5% provider of Pakistan's earnings in real time) is also just one element of many more that would mitigate economic implosion there.

We can look at the capital account side (i.e future stake rather than current flows) where China's relevance improves some w.r.t Pakistan vis a vis other lenders and investors but its not a hugely different picture given Pakistan's total basket here is small and is capped by its credit rating (and other similar factors) to begin with relative to its population and economic norms (which go much more out of whack quicker for smaller countries like Sri Lanka or Argentina in the past).

Well, then, let me tell what you guys here tell often me when it comes to middle east.

'You have incomplete understanding of sub contintent's socio-cultural and socio-political structures.

Pakistan, BD and India all three gone through way more worst periods than the current one, both economically and politically.
and yet, non of these countries imploded.

Even without chinese help, Pakistan is very unlikely to implode anytime soon or even in 30years in the future.

Yup I agree 100%. Many developing countries with large populations (Egypt would be one) share same phenomenon. There is bedrock (which has its good and bad and neutral parts to it).... that is not visible in many "quick" economic metrics that arose from a more developed economy perspective....originally to compare mainly among developed countries and closest peers in earlier cold war setting.