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250 is too much IMO. Its accuracy is not good enough even against a stationary target. There will be many different types of this design coming out soon, they should first have a competition and see which one is the best before building thousands of this one.
They should license produced in ukraine and produced in massive quantity.Even lancet with shorter range and duration can produce an excellent results.
If proven then this drone is certainly a game changer especially with regard to range and duration currently.
 
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They should license produced in ukraine and produced in massive quantity.
If proven then this drone is certainly a game changer especially with regard to range and duration.
We are not fond of getting in wars and to gain what, at the cost of what.
 

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At the cost of supporting your ally and proven that your products are battle tested instead of only hype.Otherwise why supplying tb2 and not the rest.
 

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At the cost of supporting your ally and proven that your products are battle tested instead of only hype.Otherwise why supplying tb2 and not the rest.
How come is Ukraine our ally. We are not in NATO togather. We have no connection. We have some aligned interests, that's all. You don't see the consequences of angering Russia which is our biggest trade partner. They are building our nuclear power plant and supplying us with gas&oil and tourists among other things. Ukraine has relatively small effect in our lives while Russia has a huge one.
 

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A great in-depth analysis of the Zephyr (HAPS UAV) system from the Royal Aeronautical Society, you should definitely take the time to watch it.


Why did I post this in our UAV thread? Because we need to create higher awareness in the Turkish aviation community about pseudo-satellite systems. It is obvious that these systems can bring great cost and sustainability advantages in all kinds of intelligence and C&C, or as civil and military communication, or disaster response, agricultural and mineral exploration, urban planning and mapping, and many more areas.

We have companies in our country that are capable of developing these systems, and TAI in particular has the production functions and know-how to develop and produce such a system completely built-in-house.
 

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Anka-3 should have at least 10 years newer technology on board. A lot of F35 fuselage manufacturing know-how gained over the last decade by Tusas may have gone in to the Anka’s fuselage as well. Anka-3 quite likely consists mostly of lighter composite parts. Hence the lighter empty weight. Therefore can carry more payload and still be lighter than Neuron.
The Neuron was in development since 1999. First technology demonstrator prototype flew in 2012. The whole project was set up as a technology demonstrator to provide technical information for a probable future stealth UAV.

There is a saying in English ; Two is company three is a crowd. The consortium responsible for the Neuron UAV included; France, Greece, Italy, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland. They are a mis-match of countries, where you have to have cohesion in a partnership such as this. France didn‘t really need any others to make the project work. With Dassault’s leadership the project was concluded. As per the initial agreement, no serial production of the UAV was programmed and hence none was produced. What they have gained as technical know-how, through the project, was shared among the participant countries to be utilised for future development of a stealth UAV if they ever choose to go that route..

We are in Turkey today, looking at a prototype Anka-3 getting ready for its first flight. The specifications being shared above are not written in stone. Due to the fact that our indigenous engine not being ready, we are having to make do with a lesser engine to fly this plane. But in the course of the programmed development stages of the plane, we will have TF6000 being integrated and achieving much better values than what has been shared here. Range, altitude and speed specs will definitely be improved.
Our Anka-3 is being developed for potential serial production. It is not a technology demonstrator.
What needs to be remembered here is the fact that this plane is being designed and developed as a stealthy deep strike UAV. Hence high speed and high altitudes are secondary points to be worried about.
Any delta wing aircraft is inherently stealthier than conventional winged planes. A flying winged aircraft is even stealthier than a delta wing. So the design of the flying wing concept makes the work of the engineers trying to produce a stealthy aircraft, much easier.
The Vulcan Bomber was one of the stealthiest planes ever built. This was due to it’s delta wing design. Both Rafale and Typhoon have very low RCS values thanks to their delta wing constructions.

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I noticed that but if MTOW is only internals then the empty weight difference doesnt matter
MTOW stands for Maximum Take-Off Weight. So as the name suggests it is the maximum weight with which the plane can manage to take off, with the engine that is on it.
That includes everything ; the payload (internal plus external) and fuel.

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The Dassault nEUROn UCAV is configured as a flying notched delta wing with no vertical tail. The nEUROn is composed of an all composite skin built on an aluminum frame (Withington, 2011). Parts and components materials also include high-performance alloys and titanium alloys. It is characterized by a length of approximately 9.4 m, a wingspan of approximately 12.4m, an empty weight of approximately 4900kg, and a maximum take-off weight of approximately 7000 kg. The system is reportedly capable of reaching a maximum speed of approximately 268 m/s.
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Clearly Neuron has been built with composites over an Aluminium frame including high performance alloys and Titanium alloys. It seems that our Anka-3 has less weight. Suggesting more cleverly and better usage of composites. Which is expected as Tusas has learnt from the best when it comes to composites.

Anka-3 also has to consider stand off attack posture as well as stealthy deep strike. With ammunition like Super-Simsek or SOM-J missiles under its belly, it may be compromising some of its stealthiness. But it can inflict more damage further away with such a configuration as Super-Simsek can fly a further 700km after it has been launched and SOM-J has a range of nearly 300km.
With a couple of indigenous small diameter bombs in each internal compartments, it can still strike stealthily in to deep enemy strongholds.

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MTOW stands for Maximum Take-Off Weight. So as the name suggests it is the maximum weight with which the plane can manage to take off, with the engine that is on it.
That includes everything ; the payload (internal plus external) and fuel.

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The Dassault nEUROn UCAV is configured as a flying notched delta wing with no vertical tail. The nEUROn is composed of an all composite skin built on an aluminum frame (Withington, 2011). Parts and components materials also include high-performance alloys and titanium alloys. It is characterized by a length of approximately 9.4 m, a wingspan of approximately 12.4m, an empty weight of approximately 4900kg, and a maximum take-off weight of approximately 7000 kg. The system is reportedly capable of reaching a maximum speed of approximately 268 m/s.
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Clearly Neuron has been built with composites over an Aluminium frame including high performance alloys and Titanium alloys. It seems that our Anka-3 has less weight. Suggesting more cleverly and better usage of composites. Which is expected as Tusas has learnt from the best when it comes to composites.

Anka-3 also has to consider stand off attack posture as well as stealthy deep strike. With ammunition like Super-Simsek or SOM-J missiles under its belly, it may be compromising some of its stealthiness. But it can inflict more damage further away with such a configuration as Super-Simsek can fly a further 700km after it has been launched and SOM-J has a range of nearly 300km.
With a couple of indigenous small diameter bombs in each internal compartments, it can still strike stealthily in to deep enemy strongholds.

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As the war goes on, the ammunition used becomes primitive.The importance of this platform with a stealthy structure will also emerge in this case.It will be a very important ability to shoot laser-guided cheap ammunition, which can be produced in large numbers and drop from a short range.
 
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As a mathematician and defence enthusiast prof. Feridun Taşdan (a.k.a robust in old forums) made calculation in the youtube broadcast of kaner kurt and reached a conclusion that anka 3 can be seen only from 30 km distance. So cheap ammunition like kgk, laçin, lkgk, radar guided kgk and tolun family which can be launched from 100- 110 km away even more will be a real game changer with anka 3. Air raids of TSK will be very cost effective and destructive
 

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As a mathematician and defence enthusiast prof. Feridun Taşdan (a.k.a robust in old forums) made calculation in the youtube broadcast of kaner kurt and reached a conclusion that anka 3 can be seen only from 30 km distance. So cheap ammunition like kgk, laçin, lkgk, radar guided kgk and tolun family which can be launched from 100- 110 km away even more will be a real game changer with anka 3. Air raids of TSK will be very cost effective and destructive
BS calculation

I've set up custom made horn radars for RCS measurements with Keysight VNA analyzers. Does anyone even know what kind of processing power you need to make the signal analysis and this guy is just calculating it? He's just making an estimate, sucking his big thumb
 

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still hasn't flown... :/
It's a wing form that we don't know much about it yet.I also read a news article about the embargoes imposed on the project and the brake systems being asymmetrical.So delays are normal.There is no need to rush.
 

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According to what Dr Kotil has stated in Paris show on 20th June, Anka3 should fly in 2 weeks with a +/- 2 days’ margin of error .

There were delays due to problems in the manufacturing and sourcing of certain parts.
 
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