TR Navy Naval Programs

[uçuyorum]

Now that we know Göksur is able to launch Gökdogan as well, I want to point out that ESSM can also be launched from Mk29 box launcher which is not VLS, and this configuration is used in Nimitz class carriers as well. It was also first developed to be quickly retrofitted to existing ships. Now Göksur also comes with its own sensors and could give any ship it’s on not just point / self defence but limited medium range area defence even, if it can see and hit around 20-30 km, which excites me a lot. Let’s put one on every ship Even new ULAQ and make air defence USV

 

[Osman]

Do we have enough space in ada class corvette for 2 launchers of them? This makes 16 missiles

 

[boredaf]

Even new ULAQ and make air defence USV

There were plans for air defense configuration but I can't remember which missile they mentioned.

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1686654900954968064

Previously, I wrote both in Defence Turkey Magazine and on Twitter that MİLDEN will use domestically produced HY-100 and HY-130 steel sheets. This year, the construction of the test hull for MİLDEN is planned to begin. In this context, Miilux OY has already delivered 100 tons of HY-100 steel sheet to Gölcük Shipyard Command. When the indigenous HY-130 sheet is ready, the HY-130 will also be used in the MİLDEN construction process. Some parts of the submarine hull will be built with HY-100 and some parts with HY-130.

Domestically produced submarine construction sheet metal is also expected to be used in STM's STM500 mini submarine. The production of the STM500 test hull was started with sheet metal supplied from abroad, as the domestic sheet metal was not ready at that time.

@Anmdt

 

[AWP]

1- when the HY-130 will be finished ?
2- since the test hull for MİLDEN will start this year , can we say that the official contract will be signed this year ?

 

[Anmdt]

1- when the HY-130 will be finished ?
2- since the test hull for MİLDEN will start this year , can we say that the official contract will be signed this year ?

Contract for what? DzKK - MSB - SSB is already granting contracts to subcontractors who will develop some subsystems. There are few components that will be developed from scratch for Milden.
HY-130 is produced on recipe level, it needs to get certified.

 

[Anmdt]

First OPV counts day for the launch.

Unlike in Ada- I-Class, the ESM system is integrated on mast rather than being delivered as a whole module.
Mast at B position supports R-ESM / SIGINT and integrated poles if made later.
The exhaust block has the most modifications.

Gone unnoticed despite of telling pages earlier, they have used larger blocks, called super-blocks and equipped these with certain systems (cabling, piping, equipment, engines etc) for the first time. This technique requires design to be frozen once block plan is coming out. Thus the delays occurred as the design was not frozen-finalized when the construction has begun.

 

[Afif]

View attachment 59872
First OPV counts day for the launch.

Unlike in Ada- I-Class, the ESM system is integrated on mast rather than being delivered as a whole module.
Mast at B position supports R-ESM / SIGINT and integrated poles if made later.
The exhaust block has the most modifications.

Gone unnoticed despite of telling pages earlier, they have used larger blocks, called super-blocks and equipped these with certain systems (cabling, piping, equipment, engines etc) for the first time. This technique requires design to be frozen once block plan is coming out. Thus the delays occurred as the design was not frozen-finalized when the construction has begun.

No ECM/electronic attack system?
Also, it seems ESM only has four panels/receivers.

On a side note, can this mast house Chenk-S if required?

 

[Anmdt]

Also, it seems ESM only has four panels/receivers.

As low cost as possible, also made by Tübitak and referred as Yelkovan, not one of the ARES series. Still will perform better than compact version of the ARES in the given frequency range. Tip of the mast expandable for ESM, side balconies, one of them, made to support R-EA (compact version that can do ED-EA) but i have doubts if it can support CENK-S as-is. Maybe a scaled down version, main features of the mast is preserved from Ada-Class but the tip is made to be narrower to fit the PIRI-IRST.

In the latest design, shown above before the launch, the FCR spots are updated to hold AKREP-CWI when needed.

Yes there is no ECM system, nor a provisional space exist except of the balconies on the main mast (one on each side similar to Ukranian ADA- see image below).

Can definitely support ARDA (X-band compact radar similar to NS50).

 

[Afif]

As low cost as possible, also made by Tübitak and referred as Yelkovan, not one of the ARES series. Still will perform better than compact version of the ARES in the given frequency range. Tip of the mast expandable for ESM, side balconies, one of them, made to support R-EA (compact version that can do ED-EA) but i have doubts if it can support CENK-S as-is. Maybe a scaled down version, main features of the mast is preserved from Ada-Class but the tip is made to be narrower to fit the PIRI-IRST.

In the latest design, shown above before the launch, the FCR spots are updated to hold AKREP-CWI when needed.

Yes there is no ECM system, nor a provisional space exist except of the balconies on the main mast (one on each side similar to Ukranian ADA- see image below).

Can definitely support ARDA (X-band compact radar similar to NS50).

Thanks for the detailed answer.

Just another question, what's the significance of ARDA when MAR-D is already in service ( and both are X band AESA sensor.)

Will ARDA have longer range?

 

[Aqerdf]

Wow. NS50 ?

I always thought Mar-D is equivalent of NS50 series, Cenk-S is equivalent of NS200 series and imagined Arda to be equivalent of NS100 series...

Edit: My bad. Mar-D is something like an hypothetical NS25 class radar i think (range wise).

 

[Anmdt]

Thanks for the detailed answer.

Just another question, what's the significance of ARDA when MAR-D is already in service ( and both are X band AESA sensor.)

Will ARDA have longer range?

MAR-D is an affordable solution for platforms that do not utilize wide area air defense role but point defense or close-in defenses. FCR function is questionable but some features introduced with Mk2 version (range is extended etc).

ARDA will use expertise of CAFRAD'S MFR module with lower level digitization and multi-functions. may cost more, or may be introduced as replacement of MAR-D as well.

Wow. NS50 ?

I always thought Mar-D is equivalent of NS50 series, Cenk-S is equivalent of NS200 series and imagined Arda to be equivalent of NS100 series...

Edit: My bad. Mar-D is something like an hypothetical NS25 class radar i think (range wise).

ARDA can be NS50- or NS50+, it will be scalable.

 

[TR_123456]

View attachment 59872
First OPV counts day for the launch.

Unlike in Ada- I-Class, the ESM system is integrated on mast rather than being delivered as a whole module.
Mast at B position supports R-ESM / SIGINT and integrated poles if made later.
The exhaust block has the most modifications.

Gone unnoticed despite of telling pages earlier, they have used larger blocks, called super-blocks and equipped these with certain systems (cabling, piping, equipment, engines etc) for the first time. This technique requires design to be frozen once block plan is coming out. Thus the delays occurred as the design was not frozen-finalized when the construction has begun.

Why the F are there always dents on new Turkish produced ships?
I mean,look at it,unreal.

 

[Agha Sher]

Why the F are there always dents on new Turkish produced ships?
I mean,look at it,unreal.

It is not dents and every stealth design has them. They are only visible from certain angles.

 

[Anmdt]

Why the F are there always dents on new Turkish produced ships?
I mean,look at it,unreal.

Fate of the ships, unless they are made of composites these bumps-dents appear. Some has more, some has less.
What matters most is the consistency and orientation of the bumps, and staying within deformation limits.
There is no luxury of building ships with the tolerances applied to submarines. Amount of processed steel and automation or block sizes are not the same.
Comprimising some RCS and strength in negligible amounts the construction time is shortened remarkably.

 

[Osman]

@Anmdt what about rcs of ada class? What are your thoughts about it

 

[Windchime]

Why the F are there always dents on new Turkish produced ships?
I mean,look at it,unreal.

It's called an oil-canning effect and is inevitable whenever you build a ship, operate them for certain amount of time. It is caused by various stresses esperienced by the sheet metal and you'll see oil canning even on relatively new ships, although the severity of oil canning varies from ship to ship depending on the shipbuilder experience and material quality, as well as operational conditions. I'd say the oil canning on that particular image is actually quite a lot for a ship that isn't even launched, but it could be that the camera angle makes it seem worst than what it actually is.

Fate of the ships, unless they are made of composites these bumps-dents appear. Some has more, some has less.
What matters most is the consistency and orientation of the bumps, and staying within deformation limits.
There is no luxury of building ships with the tolerances applied to submarines. Amount of processed steel and automation or block sizes are not the same.
Comprimising some RCS and strength in negligible amounts the construction time is shortened remarkably.

I mean, even submarines get to experience oil canning at some point, so unless you're building an airplane which has much tighter tolerances, yes you'll have them, as you've put.

 

[UkroTurk]

Breaking:
Again USV destroyed huge Russian warship.
Turkish Navy should stick 4 tiny AESA Plates onto every warship.
They also should start deploying UMTAS vertically.

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t.me

İf the ship had had situational awareness with 4 AESA Plates, the ship would have saved.

 

[Saithan]

Breaking:
Again USV destroyed huge Russian warship.
Turkish Navy should stick 4 tiny AESA Plates onto every warship.
They also should start deploying UMTAS vertically.

View attachment 59920

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t.me

İf the ship had had situational awareness with 4 AESA Plates, the ship would have saved.

And you need allies who're willing to keep you supplied with equipment that will enable you to keep building things like this.

 

[Anmdt]

Breaking:
Again USV destroyed huge Russian warship.
Turkish Navy should stick 4 tiny AESA Plates onto every warship.
They also should start deploying UMTAS vertically.

View attachment 59920

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You can view and join @britishintelligence right away.

t.me

İf the ship had had situational awareness with 4 AESA Plates, the ship would have saved.

I totally agree on this part, Even the smallest boats should be equipped with these (shown below), larger boats should get GNSS-RF Jammer etc.
The performance may increase as power-supply is decent on the ships.

Or with Aselsan's AURA in a similar manner, x4 x6 or x8 depending on size.
Similar to CIWS concept, all RCWS + CIWS + main gun should be organized to form a new kind of close protection suite for such threats in case of swarm attacks.
Corvettes - Frigate -LSTs should have at least two 25 mm RCWS minimum, accompanied by another set of 12.7 mm.