TR Naval Programs

[Saithan]

I remember reading a statement about being able to use ESSM in midlas, i guess it was mr sunnecti who wrote it . i guess the navy requested it otherwise why bother integrating it ?

here:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683858006893527042

He didn't finish his sentence as I see it.

But I would assume that Integration of ESSM would require some cooperation with the US, thus until that is cleared MIDAS will be using Hisar only. In short I-class will not be sailing around naked, but with domestic Hisar loaded.

ESSM integration would make our MIDAS very attractive to export market especially because there would be more option other than VLS etc.

 

[Quasar]

GE secured contract for remaining Istif class

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684602391591587840

Just for the sake of domenstrating our deep and strong relation with GE and GE marine an interesting thing which should be stated here is new one-piece composite enclosure for LM2500 marine gas turbine engines coming with İstif class.

this new composite enlosure provides 2500 kilogram weight reduction and a significant improvement in noise attenuation 60% quieter when compared to its steel predecessor.

https://www.turbomachinerymag.com/view/carbon-fibre-enclosure-reduces-lm2500-package-noise-by-60

 

[No Name]

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Dearsan Unveils Submarine For Amphibious Operations, XLUUV​

The designs were unveiled for the first time at IDEF 2023, which was held in Istanbul between 25 and 28 July 2023. All of the designs are in the conceptual phase, and the development process is still ongoing.

LCSUB​

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The Dearsan LCSUB (landing craft submarine) is designed to support amphibious operations by taking aboard 60 Marines and delivering them undetected to shore. The submarine is also capable of monitoring, detecting, and gathering intelligence on the amphibious operations area.


According to information provided by officials at the Dearsan booth, the submarine has two pressure hulls, just like the Typhoon-class submarines. Although the submarine is in the design phase, development is still underway, and CONOPS have not yet been defined, it could be used on large amphibious ships with a pool, such as the TCG Anadolu, given the size and range of the boat.


LCSUB is expected to have high maneuvering capability in shallow waters and be capable to enter restricted waters and littoral areas undetected. It’s capable to operate independently or as part of a group.


It will be equipped with a navigation and maneuvering system for safe navigation surfaced and underwater. The boat will also have damage control, stability and trim control, platform control and management systems.


LCSUB Specifications:

• Length: 29.9 m
• Beam: 5.2 m
• Height: 4.65 m
• Displacement: 180 tons
• Crew: 5 + 8
• Marines: 60
• Propulsion System: Electric

HDA-700​

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The amphibious submarine also has an attack variant called HDA-700, which is larger than the amphibious version and can be used in ASW and ASuW missions. HDA-700 will be a first-strike platform that can penetrate limited waters and coastal areas undetected.


The HDA-300 will be forward deployed and able to operate independently on missions lasting 10+ days without replenishment. The attack variant will be armed with 6×533 mm torpedo tubes for torpedo and missile engagement, while it can be capable to deploy mines and UUVs.


HDA-700 Specifications:

• Length: 36.5 m
• Beam: 8.1 m
• Height: 7.2 m
• Displacement: 700 tons
• Crew: 16 + 8 SFO
• Propulsion System: Diesel Electric optional AIP

AMT SEAL SUB​

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AMT SEAL SUB is a 19-meter-long, small submarine designed to deploy special forces and conduct special operations. The submarine has a displacement of 85 tons and can dive up to 75 meters deep. The propulsion system will generate power of 100 kW, which will allow a speed of more than 10 knots. The submarine has a beam of 2.5 meters and a draft of 1.7 meters.

XLUUV variant​

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Dearsan officials told Naval News that AMT SEAL SUB has an unmanned variant equivalent to an XLUUV. Naval News learned that the XLUUV concept is still under development. It could fulfil missions such as ASW, ISR and mine warfare.

Dearsan unveils Submarine for Amphibious Operations, XLUUV - Naval News

At IDEF 2023, Turkish shipbuilder Dearsan unveiled unique submarine solutions, including a landing craft submarine and a XLUUV.

www.navalnews.com

Maybe it is good for Turkey that Greece has kept so much of its military on does islands; with the new systems that Turkey is developing, those Greek forces will be stranded in case of a conflict.

 

[TheInsider]

Just for the sake of domenstrating our deep and strong relation with GE and GE marine an interesting thing which should be stated here is new one-piece composite enclosure for LM2500 marine gas turbine engines coming with İstif class.

this new composite enlosure provides 2500 kilogram weight reduction and a significant improvement in noise attenuation 60% quieter when compared to its steel predecessor.
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https://www.turbomachinerymag.com/view/carbon-fibre-enclosure-reduces-lm2500-package-noise-by-60

%60 noise reduction is big news. I won't be surprised if TN refits all LM2500 with this cabin.

 

[Oublious]

 

[uçuyorum]

Now that we know Göksur is able to launch Gökdogan as well, I want to point out that ESSM can also be launched from Mk29 box launcher which is not VLS, and this configuration is used in Nimitz class carriers as well. It was also first developed to be quickly retrofitted to existing ships. Now Göksur also comes with its own sensors and could give any ship it’s on not just point / self defence but limited medium range area defence even, if it can see and hit around 20-30 km, which excites me a lot. Let’s put one on every ship Even new ULAQ and make air defence USV

 

[Osman]

Do we have enough space in ada class corvette for 2 launchers of them? This makes 16 missiles

 

[boredaf]

Even new ULAQ and make air defence USV

There were plans for air defense configuration but I can't remember which missile they mentioned.

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1686654900954968064

Previously, I wrote both in Defence Turkey Magazine and on Twitter that MİLDEN will use domestically produced HY-100 and HY-130 steel sheets. This year, the construction of the test hull for MİLDEN is planned to begin. In this context, Miilux OY has already delivered 100 tons of HY-100 steel sheet to Gölcük Shipyard Command. When the indigenous HY-130 sheet is ready, the HY-130 will also be used in the MİLDEN construction process. Some parts of the submarine hull will be built with HY-100 and some parts with HY-130.

Domestically produced submarine construction sheet metal is also expected to be used in STM's STM500 mini submarine. The production of the STM500 test hull was started with sheet metal supplied from abroad, as the domestic sheet metal was not ready at that time.

@Anmdt

 

[AWP]

1- when the HY-130 will be finished ?
2- since the test hull for MİLDEN will start this year , can we say that the official contract will be signed this year ?

 

[Anmdt]

1- when the HY-130 will be finished ?
2- since the test hull for MİLDEN will start this year , can we say that the official contract will be signed this year ?

Contract for what? DzKK - MSB - SSB is already granting contracts to subcontractors who will develop some subsystems. There are few components that will be developed from scratch for Milden.
HY-130 is produced on recipe level, it needs to get certified.

 

[Anmdt]

First OPV counts day for the launch.

Unlike in Ada- I-Class, the ESM system is integrated on mast rather than being delivered as a whole module.
Mast at B position supports R-ESM / SIGINT and integrated poles if made later.
The exhaust block has the most modifications.

Gone unnoticed despite of telling pages earlier, they have used larger blocks, called super-blocks and equipped these with certain systems (cabling, piping, equipment, engines etc) for the first time. This technique requires design to be frozen once block plan is coming out. Thus the delays occurred as the design was not frozen-finalized when the construction has begun.

 

[Afif]

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First OPV counts day for the launch.

Unlike in Ada- I-Class, the ESM system is integrated on mast rather than being delivered as a whole module.
Mast at B position supports R-ESM / SIGINT and integrated poles if made later.
The exhaust block has the most modifications.

Gone unnoticed despite of telling pages earlier, they have used larger blocks, called super-blocks and equipped these with certain systems (cabling, piping, equipment, engines etc) for the first time. This technique requires design to be frozen once block plan is coming out. Thus the delays occurred as the design was not frozen-finalized when the construction has begun.

No ECM/electronic attack system?
Also, it seems ESM only has four panels/receivers.

On a side note, can this mast house Chenk-S if required?

 

[Anmdt]

Also, it seems ESM only has four panels/receivers.

As low cost as possible, also made by Tübitak and referred as Yelkovan, not one of the ARES series. Still will perform better than compact version of the ARES in the given frequency range. Tip of the mast expandable for ESM, side balconies, one of them, made to support R-EA (compact version that can do ED-EA) but i have doubts if it can support CENK-S as-is. Maybe a scaled down version, main features of the mast is preserved from Ada-Class but the tip is made to be narrower to fit the PIRI-IRST.

In the latest design, shown above before the launch, the FCR spots are updated to hold AKREP-CWI when needed.

Yes there is no ECM system, nor a provisional space exist except of the balconies on the main mast (one on each side similar to Ukranian ADA- see image below).

Can definitely support ARDA (X-band compact radar similar to NS50).

 

[Afif]

As low cost as possible, also made by Tübitak and referred as Yelkovan, not one of the ARES series. Still will perform better than compact version of the ARES in the given frequency range. Tip of the mast expandable for ESM, side balconies, one of them, made to support R-EA (compact version that can do ED-EA) but i have doubts if it can support CENK-S as-is. Maybe a scaled down version, main features of the mast is preserved from Ada-Class but the tip is made to be narrower to fit the PIRI-IRST.

In the latest design, shown above before the launch, the FCR spots are updated to hold AKREP-CWI when needed.

Yes there is no ECM system, nor a provisional space exist except of the balconies on the main mast (one on each side similar to Ukranian ADA- see image below).

Can definitely support ARDA (X-band compact radar similar to NS50).

Thanks for the detailed answer.

Just another question, what's the significance of ARDA when MAR-D is already in service ( and both are X band AESA sensor.)

Will ARDA have longer range?

 

[Aqerdf]

Wow. NS50 ?

I always thought Mar-D is equivalent of NS50 series, Cenk-S is equivalent of NS200 series and imagined Arda to be equivalent of NS100 series...

Edit: My bad. Mar-D is something like an hypothetical NS25 class radar i think (range wise).

 

[Anmdt]

Thanks for the detailed answer.

Just another question, what's the significance of ARDA when MAR-D is already in service ( and both are X band AESA sensor.)

Will ARDA have longer range?

MAR-D is an affordable solution for platforms that do not utilize wide area air defense role but point defense or close-in defenses. FCR function is questionable but some features introduced with Mk2 version (range is extended etc).

ARDA will use expertise of CAFRAD'S MFR module with lower level digitization and multi-functions. may cost more, or may be introduced as replacement of MAR-D as well.

Wow. NS50 ?

I always thought Mar-D is equivalent of NS50 series, Cenk-S is equivalent of NS200 series and imagined Arda to be equivalent of NS100 series...

Edit: My bad. Mar-D is something like an hypothetical NS25 class radar i think (range wise).

ARDA can be NS50- or NS50+, it will be scalable.

 

[TR_123456]

View attachment 59872
First OPV counts day for the launch.

Unlike in Ada- I-Class, the ESM system is integrated on mast rather than being delivered as a whole module.
Mast at B position supports R-ESM / SIGINT and integrated poles if made later.
The exhaust block has the most modifications.

Gone unnoticed despite of telling pages earlier, they have used larger blocks, called super-blocks and equipped these with certain systems (cabling, piping, equipment, engines etc) for the first time. This technique requires design to be frozen once block plan is coming out. Thus the delays occurred as the design was not frozen-finalized when the construction has begun.

Why the F are there always dents on new Turkish produced ships?
I mean,look at it,unreal.

 

[Agha Sher]

Why the F are there always dents on new Turkish produced ships?
I mean,look at it,unreal.

It is not dents and every stealth design has them. They are only visible from certain angles.

 

[Anmdt]

Why the F are there always dents on new Turkish produced ships?
I mean,look at it,unreal.

Fate of the ships, unless they are made of composites these bumps-dents appear. Some has more, some has less.
What matters most is the consistency and orientation of the bumps, and staying within deformation limits.
There is no luxury of building ships with the tolerances applied to submarines. Amount of processed steel and automation or block sizes are not the same.
Comprimising some RCS and strength in negligible amounts the construction time is shortened remarkably.