TR Navy Naval Programs

[Nutuk]

I like the MPAC, the only missin IMO is 4 standing VLS tubes between the front section and ASM launchers.

Start with 4 Sapan missiles and when quad pack becomes available upgrade it to 16 missiles MRAD. Yeme de yanina yat!

 

[Anmdt]

I like the MPAC, the only missin IMO is 4 standing VLS tubes between the front section and ASM launchers.

Start with 4 Sapan missiles and when quad pack becomes available upgrade it to 16 missiles MRAD. Yeme de yanina yat!

The current design offers little challenge to either MPAC or TTAB. The main engine and auxiliary rooms are cramped as a result of speed and IR signature requirements, exhaust planning and the need for redundant auxiliaries that can supply state-of-the-art sensors (four of the gen-sets). Conventional or current MIDLAS would require a hull extension (so naturally lower speeds can be achieved), while cold start and next generation short VLSs may enable these designs to be upgraded with at least 4 cells. Cold launch is a necessity, and an ExLS-like architecture would make placement and maintenance easy. This requires our companies to step out of their comfort zones.

Not sure if many have noticed, TTAB has a wider space between the bridge and AShM bay and a shorter supper structure after the bay, unlike MPAC.

 

[Nutuk]

I was not talking about placing a MIDLAS but 4 standing tubes like we have seen on some concepts with Milgem.

This would give FACs like MPAC a good MRAD airdefense

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1740786380094239071

Behcet Karataş is appointed as the manager of ASFAT.

This is one of the better pieces of news I have heard recently, as the previous manager was (pretty much) incompetent.

Behcet Karatas has a long history in Aselsan and was director of Naval systems.

Frankly, I haven't heard anything about Unirobotic's stabilised turret, while the first ship of the ADKG programme is still undergoing systems integration. Probably it has not been delivered to the shipyard yet, nor has it passed the stabilised tests (as proof of concept).

Now that Aselsan is taking over ASFAT, could it be the time to say goodbye to Canik-Unirobotic (and some other suppliers rose momentarily), which has
orders for 20 units out of the blue, without a prototype?

 

[Anmdt]

I was not talking about placing a MIDLAS but 4 standing tubes like we have seen on some concepts with Milgem.

This would give FACs like MPAC a good MRAD airdefense

I doubt if it can be quad-packed into that tube, but even 6 Hisar-D Blk IIs would be enough on such an agile platform with an X-band radar capable of 100-120 km range.

I would even be content with 6 of Gökdoğan YH-VL.

 

[Heartbang]

I doubt if it can be quad-packed into that tube, but even 6 Hisar-D Blk IIs would be enough on such an agile platform with an X-band radar capable of 100-120 km range.

I would even be content with 6 of Gökdoğan YH-VL.

A system like this would do wonders for FAC's, as well as the Ada class refit.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

In 2024, Construction of Milden test block is expected to start (as it was stated by officials as well) and Milden will have VLS capability

 

[Anmdt]

In 2024, Construction of Milden test block is expected to start (as it was stated by officials as well) and Milden will have VLS capability

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We've had one, yes. What about second VLS?

 

[Sanchez]

SSIK is out. Interesting stuff!

My least expected, Milgem 9 to 12 is to be built! Istif Class going up to 8? Hopefully something bigger?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742545122087112843

New landing ships, new class minesweepers and FACs to be built, probably referring to the stuff we've been talking about for years.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742544629231185947

"Design phase" to start for the carrier.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742544039931498531

 

[Khagan1923]

SSIK is out. Interesting stuff!

My least expected, Milgem 9 to 12 is to be built! Istif Class going up to 8? Hopefully something bigger?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742545122087112843

Are we sure they are not meaning TF2000 with this? Isn't TF2000 categorized under MILGEM?

New landing ships, new class minesweepers and FACs to be built, probably referring to the stuff we've been talking about for years.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742544629231185947

More Bayraktar Class or a new design all together? Maybe LPD? But good news! FAC I expect them to go back to a more traditional design.

"Design phase" to start for the carrier.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742544039931498531

I fully expecting a partner in this to be announced in the near future. Either Spain or Britain but honestly Britain makes more sense due to it actually having experience and being a AC owner.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Are we sure they are not meaning TF2000 with this? Isn't TF2000 categorized under MILGEM?

A little bit early to make a decision for the production of TF-2000. I guess the additional 4 to be built is the I-class.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

A little bit early to make a decision for the production of TF-2000. I guess the additional 4 to be built is the I-class.

I hope new Istanbul class will be block 2 with 130 meter and 32 VLS

 

[TheInsider]

If I were Navy i would upgrade 4x Ada class to İstif class level and replace 4x Ada class with up-armed version of Hisar class patrol ships. 10 Hisar corvettes are enough for corvette/patrol fleet and we can end up with 4x more İstif class on top of what is currently ordered (8).


Frigate fleet
4x upgraded Barbaros Class (Meko)
4x Upgraded Gabya Class (Perry)
12x İstif Class (8x new, 4x Upgraded Ada)

Corvette Fleet
10x Hisar Class (4x armed, 6x yerinde hazır/Turkish fitted but not with)

*Smart-S on Ada class should be replaced by Cenk-S. Those Smart-S radars should be used on armed 4x armed Hisar class.
*4x new İstif class should have improvements. I think the most important improvements might be additional VLS and Cenk-S+ 4x fixed X-Band AESA radars on the mast. This is a good compromise between ÇAFRAD and Cenk-S/Smart-S+Mar/Mar-D

 

[Afif]

SSIK is out. Interesting stuff!

My least expected, Milgem 9 to 12 is to be built! Istif Class going up to 8? Hopefully something bigger?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742545122087112843

New landing ships, new class minesweepers and FACs to be built, probably referring to the stuff we've been talking about for years.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742544629231185947

"Design phase" to start for the carrier.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742544039931498531

@Anmdt Milgem 9-12?

 

[boredaf]

Are we sure they are not meaning TF2000 with this? Isn't TF2000 categorized under MILGEM?

Savunmasanayist just put out an article, they are going to be İstif, not TF2000.

MİLGEM 9,10,11 ve 12'nci gemiler için kritik karar

MİLGEM Programı'nın 9, 10, 11 ve 12'nci gemilerinin inşası için karar çıktı. Gemiler, TF-2000 Hava Savunma Harbi Muhripi değil, firkateyn olarak inşa edilecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Huelague]

We've had one, yes. What about second VLS?

Which missiles will be used for VLS as they can not be launched from torpedo tubes?

 

[uçuyorum]

I hope it's Istif with more air defence missiles because in its current state it's a rather expensive ship for its current weapons payload. Would have been just right with 64 ESSM. Otherwise investing just a bit more to make a larger ship will make it much more optimized in that regard. I hope they aren't rushing those just to save just a few bucks and making it unoptimized. Although we do need quite a few ships to replace aging ones and increase numbers. Istif literally means stacking, referring to need to the idea of stacking up large numbers of these as main ship.

 

[Quasar]

in Turkiye How many cities are there which starts with İ ?

 

[Afif]

This is actually a very good decision. Me, @Knowledgeseeker and few others were hoping for 4x more Istif ships from the beginning. Turkish navy should not be the least capable of three services.

Although, I wonder if the resource for carrier development could have been better spent on SSN. But we probably don’t know enough how Turkish policy makers envision Turkish Naval capability development within overall strategic framework into 2030s and 2040s.

A 45000t carrier with 2/3 squadrons of twin engine KE and ANKA-4 on board would be a looker.

 

[Yasar_TR]

MİLGEM 9,10,11 ve 12'nci gemiler için kritik karar

MİLGEM Programı'nın 9, 10, 11 ve 12'nci gemilerinin inşası için karar çıktı. Gemiler, TF-2000 Hava Savunma Harbi Muhripi değil, firkateyn olarak inşa edilecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

I was always in the opinion that TF2000 destroyers were an overkill for us at the current climate.
With 4 Yavuz Class ships becoming almost obsolete and the 4 Gabya Class not in line with the modern navy we want to have, it was high time they took the right decision to go with a further 4 İstif Class ships.
So quantity wise we are not adding new ships to the frigate fleet. But modernising it further.
In 4-5 years time our Navy will have 8 İstif Class , 4 Barbaros Class and 4 Gabya Class ships as far as frigates go.
With 10 Hisar Class OPVs and 4 Ada Class Corvettes we will have a very potent littoral waters fleet that can be used in the shallow waters of the Sea of Islands.
Hopefully with the first Milden subs becoming part of the fleet, the 4 Gabya frigates will also be replaced with the TF4500 frigates or TF2000 destroyers; finances allowing..