TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Agha Sher]

Reports: Turkiye sold TB2 to the Maldives for $37 million.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1747605441826144400

@Zafer

 

[Sanchez]

Why do I have a feeling that Desert Sting-16 is just a MAM with a French laser seeker?

 

[Ripley]

It is a problem that we may end up seeing Akinci UCAVs bombing Somali soldiers that we trained in Turkiye. That's what I am trying to say.

We went on selling these technologies so they can help in the fight against terrorism, but left a serious gap by not bounding the parties in any way regarding how they use them. Too bad that we don't have the capacity to join their efforts in fighting terrorism in the area while this vacuum is being filled by the Russians. By not exerting our influence over them we lose a lot. For example the situation with Ethiopia. If we had the power we would've pressed them to refrain from positions like these and would've preventing the rise of tension in the region.

Do we know the conditions in the deal? Could there be maybe some restrictive conditions for the use of the systems?

 

[Afif]

Why do I have a feeling that Desert Sting-16 is just a MAM with a French laser seeker?

Ah no, it is designed by Denel Dynamics....ahm....sorry, I meant Halcon system.

 

[Kartal1]

Do we know the conditions in the deal? Could there be maybe some restrictive conditions for the use of the systems?

I doubt it as we are marketing our systems as free of conditions and restrictions.

Next to the good price-performance balance there is no political bounding coming with these. Political bounding comes with our advisors that are on field in Somalia, Libya and Azerbaijan for example.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Why do I have a feeling that Desert Sting-16 is just a MAM with a French laser seeker?

It isn’t, it’s a South African design that Tawazun Dynamics contracted them to design as a product that they would produce in the UAE years ago. It’s called P2 and there was a lot of controversy over its IP being stolen.

SIU investigating misappropriation of IP at Denel - defenceWeb

The Special Investigating Unit (SIU) is looking at the ‘serious crime’ of the misappropriation of intellectual property (IP) by Denel, which apparently sent missile data packs to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The SIU on 3 March briefed parliament’s Standing Committee on Public...

www.defenceweb.co.za

From another article

P2 was developed with Denel Dynamics in South Africa to the level of a demonstrator, after which HALCON made 11 changes to the version produced in the UAE, which translated to Desert Sting-16, says Al Mansoori.

 

[Zafer]

Welcome aboard Maldives

 

[Afif]

Can't see it though........

 

[Zafer]

Can't see it though........

Can't see Maldives ? Because the largest of their islands can barely house a landing strip, but they have a name in its place.

 

[Afif]

Can't see Maldives ? Because the largest of their islands can barely house a landing strip, but they have a name in its place.

It was a joke....

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

The contract must be with the UN. Right ✅️

The contract is between Turkiye and Morocco. To answer your question I would say "kind off", the future will explain more

@Sanchez

Confirmed Morocco acquired a batch of Cobra 2 MRAP

 

[Sanchez]

The contract is between Turkiye and Morocco. To answer your question I would say "kind off", the future will explain more

@Sanchez

Confirmed Morocco acquired a batch of Cobra 2 MRAP

I thought it would be a small batch, 200?! Way to start the year for Otokar.

"According to Africa Intelligence, FAR has recently ordered 200 Cobra 2 armored vehicles, manufactured by the Turkish defense company Otokar. Notably, around 20 of these vehicles will be allocated to Moroccan peacekeepers participating in United Nations peacekeeping missions."

Morocco orders 200 Cobra 2 armored vehicles from Turkey

The Royal Armed Forces of Morocco (FAR) are continuing to strengthen their military equipment with purchases from the Turkish market. According to Africa...

en.yabiladi.com

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

I thought it would be a small batch, 200?! Way to start the year for Otokar.

"According to Africa Intelligence, FAR has recently ordered 200 Cobra 2 armored vehicles, manufactured by the Turkish defense company Otokar. Notably, around 20 of these vehicles will be allocated to Moroccan peacekeepers participating in United Nations peacekeeping missions."

Morocco orders 200 Cobra 2 armored vehicles from Turkey

The Royal Armed Forces of Morocco (FAR) are continuing to strengthen their military equipment with purchases from the Turkish market. According to Africa...

en.yabiladi.com

The sources are just bullshitting with their numbers, and they are making these calculations based on the deal you shared here in mid-December. The 136 million USD deal to an "undisclosed" client.. If that deal is intended for Morocco then I would guess a number of 250 vehicles, if not a little bit more. Excellent deal, congratulations to us

 

[Zafer]

Allegations about TB2 sales to Tajikistan, is this true?

Orta Asya ülkelerinde Türk şirketlerin İHA ve SİHA’larına ilgi artıyor

Haber 7 - Orta Asya ülkeleri son yıllarda ordularını güçlendirmek için insansız hava araçları (İHA) ve silahlı insansız hava araçlarına (SİHA) ilgi gösteriyor.

www.haber7.com

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Allegations about TB2 sales to Tajikistan, is this true?

Orta Asya ülkelerinde Türk şirketlerin İHA ve SİHA’larına ilgi artıyor

Haber 7 - Orta Asya ülkeleri son yıllarda ordularını güçlendirmek için insansız hava araçları (İHA) ve silahlı insansız hava araçlarına (SİHA) ilgi gösteriyor.

www.haber7.com

Wouldn't have thought it to be possible since Kyrgyzstan was our first costumer.
But since the peace deal was brokered by Türkiye, it may be possible under condition not to use against Kyrgyzstan. Just a speculation.

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748577380711706873

Good news for Baykar if it is true. But I hope it's not. There is going to be a lot of money spent on this that could have been better spent otherwise on priority matters. (i.e. Artillery modernisation, Air Defence & attack helicopters)

 

[PutinBro]

DTB usually doesn’t posts false/speculative news.This is definitely true.Quite an auspicious beginning for 2024!

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748577380711706873

Good news for Baykar if it is true. But I hope it's not. There is going to be a lot of money spent on this that could have been better spent otherwise on priority matters. (i.e. Artillery modernisation, Air Defence & attack helicopters)

Probably this still brings more bang for the buck.

 

[Afif]

DTB usually doesn’t posts false/speculative news.This is definitely true.Quite an
auspicious beginning for 2024!

Definitely not. 24 TB-2 would cost around $250/260 millions going by the conservative estimate. (sea the Polish deal)
Yet, we urgently need to replace hundreds of mod-56 relic guns. We can buy hundreds of BORAN with $250 millions. Or maybe we should introduce 2x more Regiments of Nora b52, More TIGER MLRS? Could be additional HISAR batteries. (ADA is one of the serious weaknesses) All of it are much more fundemental need than new TB-2 right now.

Also, what about investing in the indeginous program? Speically when we already have one.

@Zafer

 

[PutinBro]

@Afif Buying 24 units at the same time is a rare occurance in this country.This means that defence procurements from Turkey(and hopefully others) is resuming after it was slowed by the economic situation as reported.The fact that election's over is also positive.MRSAM and more T-230/300 are long delayed procurements and will happen soon if things are good.

Also the 6 TB-2 we got are the only MALE UCAV in BA.Here they are trying to add a new capability that previously did not exist and 30-36 is not a big number.