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There are people who rape, murder, commit acts of cowardice and war crimes in every country, region, culture, race, religion, military group, etc... Those acts are not unique to any one group and there are no groups immune to those actions from individuals.
Are those here who treat Hamas as rapists based on questionable images? You see that, right? Israeli terrorists want rape to be used as a weapon of war. And they say this without hesitation or shame in front of anyone. So stop drawing conclusions based on absurd images. And pay attention to this cruelty of the terrorists. Condemning "both sides" will only lead you to insult those who resist the cruelty of the oppressors. Stop showing us the filth that Israel reveals through its ability to manipulate and create perceptions through social media and through the journalists it buys with money!! Stop giving credit to Israel's statements anymore!!
MF the thing is only in Israel do you see the fucking populace rally behind those atrocities in BROAD DAYLIGHT!! And then they have other parties like YOU constantly trying to smoothen the implication.There are people who rape, murder, commit acts of cowardice and war crimes in every country, region, culture, race, religion, military group, etc... Those acts are not unique to any one group and there are no groups immune to those actions from individuals.
Since the beginning of conflict there have been acts considered to be "out of bounds" relative to the time in question, perpetrated against people and it is seemingly always the goal in a conflict to paint one's advisary as uniquely barbaric and cruel.
The reality is that while the "both sides" narrative doesn't satiate our conviction that the opponent is uniquely immoral, "both sides" is often the actual answer... Maybe it looks different, or it happens in a different way, or at a different rate, but it's objectively true that in war both sides do pretty shitty things to each other.
IMO, if we can accept that reality, there are far more substantive conversations to be had... I've said 1000 times before and I'll say it again. You can't end war crimes or heinous acts of malice by legislation alone. There are a certain segment of every population, every organization and every community that will not comply with the established rules and will act they desire.
That's objectively not true. They partied in the streets of Gaza in BROAD DAYLIGHT when members of HAMAS returned from Israel with men, women and children as hostages that were meant to be used as bargaining chips in war. A deplorable act that we have video footage of hundreds (if not thousands) of people in Gaza cheering on as if kidnapping civilians is a righteous act... Although I'm sure you'll find a way to morally defend that act, while condeming Israel. For the record, the Israelis that raped people and those who support them should be absolutely held to account, but so to should be the people who kidnapped civilians and the those that cheered it on.MF the thing is only in Israel do you see the fucking populace rally behind those atrocities in BROAD DAYLIGHT!! And then they have other parties like YOU constantly trying to smoothen the implication.
For fuck's sake I've had it with this forum.
Rape is a deplorable act. So is kidnapping non-combatants. I'm highly consistent in both directions.
Nobody (at least in this thread) is refuting Israel's participation in deplorable acts. They're not some uniquely benevolent nation that does everything the "right way". They've got bad actors in their country, as do we all.I agree. Then Israel are guilty of both of those. In a grander scale.
MF the thing is only in Israel do you see the fucking populace rally behind those atrocities in BROAD DAYLIGHT!! And then they have other parties like YOU constantly trying to smoothen the implication.
For fuck's sake I've had it with this forum.
Aren't you the guy , who just 4 or 5 days ago wrote that you are absolutely fine with the children dying for your values???That's objectively not true. They partied in the streets of Gaza in BROAD DAYLIGHT when members of HAMAS returned from Israel with men, women and children as hostages that were meant to be used as bargaining chips in war. A deplorable act that we have video footage of hundreds (if not thousands) of people in Gaza cheering on as if kidnapping civilians is a righteous act... Although I'm sure you'll find a way to morally defend that act, while condeming Israel. For the record, the Israelis that raped people and those who support them should be absolutely held to account, but so to should be the people who kidnapped civilians and the those that cheered it on.
Rape is a deplorable act. So is kidnapping non-combatants. I'm highly consistent in both directions.
Stop the moral grandstanding. This isn't a "one side are saints and the other side are demons" type scenario.
Any new angle?"Only" in Israel?
C'mon, chief, you can condemn this stuff as outrageous & unnacceptable whilst acknowledging plenty of Gazan civvies were over the moon hollering & cheering over the Oct 7 rape-fest too.
Humans suck. The UN has to do what it can to stop this stuff, it's an imperfect system and it won't be enough. Agreed. Let's not do the singling out thing though, there's *plenty* of this type of barbarity going on among both camps in this part of the world. Now, the past, and most likely always. The hate's white-hot, and people have a tendency to turn a blind eye to their side's demon-torture-sex-spree evils, to a pretty shocking degree. Welcome to war: there are rules theoretically, the rules are basically never followed in practicality, suffering exponentially gets worse over time.
EDIT: 12 Raptors, Relic? Well damn, that's probably gonna be more than enough to take care of whatever Iran & their baby brothers can throw toward Tel Aviv. Not to mention perfect for any bloody-nose retaliatory strikes into Iran itself if it (unlikely) got to that point - if Israel can do it, the US with 22s certainly can. I think Iran's been given some pause anyway, seems they're re-evaluating somehow like maybe they don't want to risk a missile/drone thing anymore. Might be something more targeted over time, trying to go after Mossad and other agency types more scalpel-like? *Shrugs*
On October 7th Gazans (including children) celebrated kidnappings and hostage taking as HAMAS returned from their mission. I didn't claim that they cheered on rape. They cheered men, women and children being forcibly taken from Israel as hostages, to be used as bargaining chips in war.On October 7th Palestinian civilians in Gaza were celebrating rapes etc? Even it happened, how some guy on the street could have possibly had known the details of the operations?
But we see here and are told by The Jewery , exactly what they accuse others of , that in reality it is them with such beliefs and acts.
Oy Relic, as long as it confirms with your values? No? My good old friend.
Something tells me that behind the scenes Iran is being much more nuanced in their negotiations. They want nothing to do with a direct war against Israel backed by U.S. naval and air power. It's not good for anyone... Sadly, Lebanon will be absolutely devastated as Hezbollah will be the primary target and Lebanese civilians will undoubtedly get caught up in the mix.
Why someone whose father or brother had been in jail , without charge most often, wouldn't celebrate the possibility of their release?On October 7th Gazans (including children) celebrated kidnappings and hostage taking as HAMAS returned from their mission. I didn't claim that they cheered on rape. They cheered men, women and children being forcibly taken from Israel as hostages, to be used as bargaining chips in war.
Again, I'll make my objectively valid point. There have been attrocities towards civilians by people on both sides of this conflict. I vehemently denounce any Israeli who raped any Palestinian. That's a disgusting act. That said, I also denounce taking people as hostages to use as bargaining chips in war. That's also a deplorable act. I denounce drone strikes again unarmed aid workers trying provide relief to people facing food insecurity. I also denounce the indiscriminate launching of crudely made rockets into neighborhoods.