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I am also on the opinion that it will be good to explore the option. It's just that I am not so confident in MKE making it work as intended.The Hybrid solution is very impressive, and when I look at the numbers it should be a no brainer. There are however somethings that only the wise know from experience, so I assume that may be why we haven't swapped to Hybrid solution.
But I don't see why they can't have several prototypes and test them thoroughly while still acquiring some standard conventional ones.
I know that diversifying is more expensive for us, but it is necessary to be able to change mindset as well.
I think this could be an example of one of those old doctrins that needs to be challenged and changed or at least battlefield tested @Kartal1
F404 and F414 are the epitome of how military turbine engines can be made to be reliable.
The F404 has a version called F412 with a very large inlet fan. This is a non afterburning engine specifically made for A-12 Avenger 2 plane. This engine developed very high thrust due to the large fan it utilised. In F414, they used a similar but comparatively smaller fan than the one used in F412 but larger than the one in F404. This fan provided a lot of air to flow through the compression and combustion section. To accommodate this extra air flow and sustain efficient burn, accordingly, they had to enlarge the diameter of the f412’s and F414’s combustion chambers. This way they were able to achieve 13000lbf dry thrust from the f414 which had essentially the same dimensions as f404, apart from the larger fan and bigger combustor. This was called a “trapped vortex combustor”.
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Whence the A-12 project was cancelled so was F412 engine. But it paved the way for f414.
With the EDE (Enhanced DurabilityEngine) version, F414 has gone through an upgrade of materials and aerodynamic design in it’s HP Turbine stage, allowing it to go hotter without problems and by reducing HP compressor stage by one from 7 to 6 it was made possible to lower SFC and improve durability by 3 times.
The EPE (Enhanced Performance Engine) version of F414 has been furnished with a totally new Fan, Core and Turbine section that gave a 20% increase to thrust level, achieving 26400lbf with AB.
GE has also been conducting experiments on F414, successfully, by replacing LP turbines with CMC materials.
I only hope that at TEI, our engineers, being part of GE family, are making note of these innovations and will in time, apply them to our own engines too.
"Originally developed by TÜRASAŞ, the 8V 160, 8-cylinder machine can produce 1200 horsepower. Specific fuel consumption is 2.20 liters per gram/kilowatt hour."
I can not make sure of this, some informations cover electric motors as being indigeneous but i haven't heard of Turasas supplying medium speed diesels for the project. Gensets for on-board electricity have been supplied by Isbir elektrik as per usual. Since MAN provided end to end solution for the whole propulsion system, i am also considering that the genset's driving the electric motors are also supplied by MAN.
We should proceed with fully speed. Tengri has been patiently waiting for its horde to rise to total dominance for centuries. Only a few years left until the world realizes that the central horde has reawakened. Nothing will be the same after that.Mr. Aksit is obviously talking here about the domestic engine of KAAN, not about TF10000.
"We are trying to work as fast as we can. We are trying to complete it as quickly as possible. This is a fifth-generation fighter jet engine in terms of technology and size. Such engines typically take 10-15 years to develop worldwide. For example, the Eurofighter's engine is much smaller than the one we are working on and is not as advanced in terms of technology. It took 17 years to develop. However, I'm not saying that it will take us 17 years. Our government wants us to complete it in a much shorter time. People should not think that nothing has been done just because we started this a year or two ago. We are working quickly without rushing it. Our team has gained experience from previous engines."
And regarding TF6000 (he does certainly not mean export of TF6000):
"We successfully ran our TF6000 engine at the end of February. Since then, we have conducted 54 successful tests. Last year, we made our first export thanks to the connections we established at the previous IDEF (International Defense Industry Fair). If everything goes well, we aim to sign new export agreements at the next IDEF. The engine is not a finished product; it’s a sub-component installed in aircraft. Exporting this is a bit more challenging than exporting an entire aircraft. We can only sell it to UAV and helicopter manufacturers. However, TEI and Baykar can sell their finished products to any country. We have an advantage: when Baykar exports the TB-3, our engine is exported along with it. As long as the country using this aircraft continues to fly it, they will need to purchase our products for maintenance, repairs, and engine replacements when the engine's lifespan ends."
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TEI Genel Müdürü Akşit: "TF10000 motor çalışmaları süratle devam ediyor"
TEI Genel Müdürü Mahmut Akşit İDEF2025 toplantısında Haber7 muhabiri Yavuz Selvi'ye özel açıklamalarda bulundu. Akşit, "TF6000 motorunda 54 başarılıvideo.haber7.com
I thought this was about propulsion systems, not about how they would propel Turkiye to world domination.We should proceed with fully speed. Tengri has been patiently waiting for its horde to rise to total dominance for centuries. Only a few years left until the world realizes that the central horde has reawakened. Nothing will be the same after that.
TF-35000 and TF-6000/10000 are the most important projects. If they are successfully completed, no one can stop us. A Turkic world armed with 5th generation fighters and jet drones would completely change the face of the earth.
It would be interesting to see how close Kale could get to existing GE, GE/SAFRAN, P&W and RR civil aviation engines in the next 10-20 years.It took a while but Kale has made some fantastic progress, and they closed many of our gaps.
And I like their vision, i.e. trying to move into the civilian space.
You cant put a value on all those engineers that now gain experience and will build the next bigger, better product.
54 tests in 6 months. 9 tests per month and 1 test per ~3 days for TF-6k/10k. This is a good pace. We will see the mockup of TF-35000 in 2025 at IDEF. The mockup will be similar to the TF-6000 mockup we saw in the past.Mr. Aksit is obviously talking here about the domestic engine of KAAN, not about TF10000.
"We are trying to work as fast as we can. We are trying to complete it as quickly as possible. This is a fifth-generation fighter jet engine in terms of technology and size. Such engines typically take 10-15 years to develop worldwide. For example, the Eurofighter's engine is much smaller than the one we are working on and is not as advanced in terms of technology. It took 17 years to develop. However, I'm not saying that it will take us 17 years. Our government wants us to complete it in a much shorter time. People should not think that nothing has been done just because we started this a year or two ago. We are working quickly without rushing it. Our team has gained experience from previous engines."
And regarding TF6000 (he does certainly not mean export of TF6000):
"We successfully ran our TF6000 engine at the end of February. Since then, we have conducted 54 successful tests. Last year, we made our first export thanks to the connections we established at the previous IDEF (International Defense Industry Fair). If everything goes well, we aim to sign new export agreements at the next IDEF. The engine is not a finished product; it’s a sub-component installed in aircraft. Exporting this is a bit more challenging than exporting an entire aircraft. We can only sell it to UAV and helicopter manufacturers. However, TEI and Baykar can sell their finished products to any country. We have an advantage: when Baykar exports the TB-3, our engine is exported along with it. As long as the country using this aircraft continues to fly it, they will need to purchase our products for maintenance, repairs, and engine replacements when the engine's lifespan ends."
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TEI Genel Müdürü Akşit: "TF10000 motor çalışmaları süratle devam ediyor"
TEI Genel Müdürü Mahmut Akşit İDEF2025 toplantısında Haber7 muhabiri Yavuz Selvi'ye özel açıklamalarda bulundu. Akşit, "TF6000 motorunda 54 başarılıvideo.haber7.com
You desperately need a reality check mate.We should proceed with fully speed. Tengri has been patiently waiting for its horde to rise to total dominance for centuries. Only a few years left until the world realizes that the central horde has reawakened. Nothing will be the same after that.
TF-35000 and TF-6000/10000 are the most important projects. If they are successfully completed, no one can stop us. A Turkic world armed with 5th generation fighters and jet drones would completely change the face of the earth.
And you need to desperately shut it. Why did what he said hurt you?You desperately need a reality check mate.
I thought this was about propulsion systems, not about how they would propel Turkiye to world domination.
You desperately need a reality check mate.
It didn't hurt me at all lad, it was just wildly, hilariously unrealistic. This type of nationalistic chest beating is the reason why instead of living up to our country's real potential, politicians easily feed lies to people and get away with it. Knowing your limits is not a cowardice or shameful, it is logical and allows you to make the most out of what you have and what you can do, instead of overextending yourself and your resources and ending up with shiny shite in your hands that doesn't actually matter.And you need to desperately shut it. Why did what he said hurt you?
Boy, what have you been smoking, what kind of multidimensional world do you live in.... Turkey as a country has hardly any raw materials in the form of steel & co to build a real heavy industry like the USA, China or Russia. That is the prerequisite for a superpower.We should proceed with fully speed. Tengri has been patiently waiting for its horde to rise to total dominance for centuries. Only a few years left until the world realizes that the central horde has reawakened. Nothing will be the same after that.
TF-35000 and TF-6000/10000 are the most important projects. If they are successfully completed, no one can stop us. A Turkic world armed with 5th generation fighters and jet drones would completely change the face of the earth.
Is there any video or footage out there regarding any of those test runs? I only saw the first one released to the public.54 tests in 6 months. 9 tests per month and 1 test per ~3 days for TF-6k/10k. This is a good pace. We will see the mockup of TF-35000 in 2025 at IDEF. The mockup will be similar to the TF-6000 mockup we saw in the past.