Bhartiya Sainik
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Ok, let's see.The watermark removes itself once the pic is hosted in-line with the post itself. See for yourself:
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Ok, let's see.The watermark removes itself once the pic is hosted in-line with the post itself. See for yourself:
etc.
It (watermark during attachment process) is artifact from earlier issue on forum.
Simple they aint not gonna sanctions us thats it. Nobody is gonna be 100% sanction proof in an era of global supply chains.One question what do you do if you receive sanctions or embargoes on certain parts in the aircraft that come from abroad, e.g. for strategic political reasons?
The Tejas is full of foreign parts as you know, what about AMCA Project?
The engine cannot be Indian for the next few years.
The development of a Generation 4+ or 5 engine alone costs at least 10-15 in total years, depending on the complexity of the engine.
In addition, there is the blisk technology in the engine, which consists of various alloys, composite materials and crystals in one piece, which have to withstand very high temperatures and pressures - nobody simply gives this away as a technology transfer.
What about the supply chains of the parts alone that would have to be produced domestically, just getting these defense companies off the ground and developing all the parts costs a lot of money and time.
I say that because Turkey has been under sanctions for several years and has built up its own arms industry. They are now at 85-90% to produce everything themselves.
The last 10% are the worst, because it's about absolute high technology, such as semiconductors, engines, composite materials, stealth alloys with coatings that enhance the effect even more.
We were able to solve the latter problems because we were co-developers in the Joint Strike Fighter program for decades, which is now known as the F-35.
The only problem Turkey still has is semiconductor chips, but nobody can solve that so quickly, not even top European industrialized countries.
How will India solve this?
Consider that it took us several years to develop a high-performance Engine like the TF-6000 for drones and helicopters.
The next step is to equip the TEI TF-6000 with an afterburner as the TEI TF-10000.
The TF-35000 for TAI KAAN has been in development for 2-3 years and it will take another 6-8 years before a prototype is ready.
Well In short, India's quest into Aero Engines and Aircraft Industry had always taken a backseat. . Earlier before, the momentum was weak, the government didn't prioritize because we could always import them. Funds allocated to this sector are scarce along with Human Resources. It is only recently we started investing heavily in this sector and it takes time to mature Aero Engines and Aircraft Industry. We can't expect fruits to yield when we started taking this sector seriously for the past 5-10 years only.One question what do you do if you receive sanctions or embargoes on certain parts in the aircraft that come from abroad, e.g. for strategic political reasons?
The Tejas is full of foreign parts as you know, what about AMCA Project?
The engine cannot be Indian for the next few years.
The development of a Generation 4+ or 5 engine alone costs at least 10-15 in total years, depending on the complexity of the engine.
In addition, there is the blisk technology in the engine, which consists of various alloys, composite materials and crystals in one piece, which have to withstand very high temperatures and pressures - nobody simply gives this away as a technology transfer.
What about the supply chains of the parts alone that would have to be produced domestically, just getting these defense companies off the ground and developing all the parts costs a lot of money and time.
I say that because Turkey has been under sanctions for several years and has built up its own arms industry. They are now at 85-90% to produce everything themselves.
The last 10% are the worst, because it's about absolute high technology, such as semiconductors, engines, composite materials, stealth alloys with coatings that enhance the effect even more.
We were able to solve the latter problems because we were co-developers in the Joint Strike Fighter program for decades, which is now known as the F-35.
The only problem Turkey still has is semiconductor chips, but nobody can solve that so quickly, not even top European industrialized countries.
How will India solve this?
Consider that it took us several years to develop a high-performance Engine like the TF-6000 for drones and helicopters.
The next step is to equip the TEI TF-6000 with an afterburner as the TEI TF-10000.
The TF-35000 for TAI KAAN has been in development for 2-3 years and it will take another 6-8 years before a prototype is ready.
Not comparable,India is in a different position.One question what do you do if you receive sanctions or embargoes on certain parts in the aircraft that come from abroad, e.g. for strategic political reasons?
The Tejas is full of foreign parts as you know, what about AMCA Project?
The engine cannot be Indian for the next few years.
The development of a Generation 4+ or 5 engine alone costs at least 10-15 in total years, depending on the complexity of the engine.
In addition, there is the blisk technology in the engine, which consists of various alloys, composite materials and crystals in one piece, which have to withstand very high temperatures and pressures - nobody simply gives this away as a technology transfer.
What about the supply chains of the parts alone that would have to be produced domestically, just getting these defense companies off the ground and developing all the parts costs a lot of money and time.
I say that because Turkey has been under sanctions for several years and has built up its own arms industry. They are now at 85-90% to produce everything themselves.
The last 10% are the worst, because it's about absolute high technology, such as semiconductors, engines, composite materials, stealth alloys with coatings that enhance the effect even more.
We were able to solve the latter problems because we were co-developers in the Joint Strike Fighter program for decades, which is now known as the F-35.
The only problem Turkey still has is semiconductor chips, but nobody can solve that so quickly, not even top European industrialized countries.
How will India solve this?
Consider that it took us several years to develop a high-performance Engine like the TF-6000 for drones and helicopters.
The next step is to equip the TEI TF-6000 with an afterburner as the TEI TF-10000.
The TF-35000 for TAI KAAN has been in development for 2-3 years and it will take another 6-8 years before a prototype is ready.
Sadly, I couldnt find the source so I deleted my post but I could have sworn that I read an article about this issue around 2 months ago but didnt give it too much consideration to remember the site's nameDo you have proof of such bribery and corruption? If not you had better retract your claims asap. If you do; then share it here to prove.
Better deleting it .Seriously people think that all defence deals are clean and also when that its a competition. Sorry to inform you but thats not how these work middle men, lobbying all is part of the game.luckily though india aint the banana republic where military is the last word. If a deal is shady then it will go through the judicial system.The faltering "aero industry" that you mention has an order book of atleast 200 fighter,150 attack chopper orders along with more than 300 helicopter orders and this is just the public sector and that too only for projects which are finished. All this even when we spend far far less on our projects and are generally lethargic when it comes to indigenous projects.Sadly, I couldnt find the source so I deleted my post but I could have sworn that I read an article about this issue around 2 months ago but didnt give it too much consideration to remember the site's name
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Any large deal irrespective of the country involved, that has billions hanging at the end of it, is susceptible to being part of a bribery scandal or some form of corruption.Better deleting it .Seriously people think that all defence deals are clean and also when that its a competition. Sorry to inform you but thats not how these work middle men, lobbying all is part of the game.luckily though india aint the banana republic where military is the last word. If a deal is shady then it will go through the judicial system.The faltering "aero industry" that you mention has an order book of atleast 200 fighter,150 attack chopper orders along with more than 300 helicopter orders and this is just the public sector and that too only for projects which are finished. All this even when we spend far far less on our projects and are generally lethargic when it comes to indigenous projects.