TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Sanchez]

Looks exactly like the old mock up design

Yup. They probably still use old models, including the mockup. Doesn't mean anything, we know TAI is usually hit&miss when it comes to models and mockups and they shouldn't be taken as gospel.

 

[hugh]

Yup. They probably still use old models, including the mockup. Doesn't mean anything, we know TAI is usually hit&miss when it comes to models and mockups and they shouldn't be taken as gospel.

Could the lack of a new mockup indicate the design fluidity of KAAN? Maybe they don't see value in making new mockups when the final design is not set yet.

 

[Huelague]

the canopy-radome line looks smoothed out and the "pelican" look is gone.

That was mentioned before by T. Kotil.

 

[Strong AI]

National Combat Aircraft KAAN’s Domestic Cybersecurity Shield

The cybersecurity of the National Combat Aircraft KAAN is also being developed by Turkish engineers.

STM General Manager Özgür Güleryüz stated, “As STM, we are actively working on KAAN’s cybersecurity. One must not forget that both fighter jets and warships are increasingly being equipped with electronic systems. If you are not certain about cybersecurity in these electronic systems, there is always the possibility of an open door.”

Güleryüz provided information about cybersecurity efforts, saying, “In every statement, we emphasize that cybersecurity is essential. It is crucial to take a holistic approach to defense. Today, technology permeates our lives significantly. While technology simplifies our work, it also exposes us to new threats. In this sense, if adequate cybersecurity measures are not taken for every type of sensor and communication device, they can actually pose new threats to us. Therefore, as STM, we strive to develop products and solutions for cybersecurity, particularly in the defense industry, such as the establishment of cybersecurity centers for the Turkish Armed Forces and data centers for our security. At the same time, we aim to inform the public. Cybersecurity is important today and will gain even more significance in the future. We are working to integrate cybersecurity into our developed platforms and systems. We need to be aware that cybersecurity is a part of our lives and remain vigilant. We emphasize that local solutions should be implemented in every aspect.”

As one of the leading firms in the Turkish defense industry, STM draws attention with its cybersecurity efforts. Actively working in the field, STM plays critical roles in the platform cybersecurity of weapon systems. STM provides cybersecurity support for KAAN and collaborates with TUSAŞ to equip the National Combat Aircraft with domestic cybersecurity systems.

“WE ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN KAAN”

Güleryüz mentioned their work on the KAAN project, stating, “As STM, we are very actively involved in KAAN’s cybersecurity. It’s important to remember that weapon systems on platforms, whether fighter jets or warships, are increasingly equipped with electronic systems. If you are not confident in cybersecurity for these electronic systems, there is always a chance of an open door. Thus, the cybersecurity of platforms is extremely important. We are actively involved in projects, including the KAAN project. In the project, there are both STM and other companies with expertise in cybersecurity. We must consider cybersecurity from the early design stages in a very coordinated manner with TUSAŞ and other specialized firms to ensure that our designs are made accordingly, as it will not be easy to address certain issues later on. Therefore, we have been working very actively in coordination with TUSAŞ and other expert firms since the beginning of the project.”

Milli muharip uçak KAAN'a yerli siber güvenlik kalkanı

Haber 7 - Milli Muharip Uçak KAAN'nın platform siber güvenliği de Türk mühendislerince geliştiriliyor.

www.haber7.com

 

[Quasar]

Touch screen developed by STG for Turkey's 5th generation fighter jet KAAN. Unlike the F-35 screen, the design does not reflect. The current design, which was tested on KAAN's first prototype and received feedback, was exhibited at SAHA EXPO. - Avionout

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850539913919254608

 

[Afif]

Should KAAN be able to do that? 'Cause main air bases are vulnerable. Even with AMD bubble.

 

[TR_123456]

Should KAAN be able to do that? 'Cause main air bases are vulnerable. Even with AMD bubble.

It has to.

 

[KAAN]

KAAN was designed to push the limits in terms of thrust-to-weight (T/W) ratio performance. If you recall, during its first flight, it achieved a very clean takeoff without using afterburners, even with F110 engines that produce about nearly 35% less dry thrust (expected/calculated) than the final engines. So, except for being “proven,” the answer to your question is yes.

Edit: In terms of landing, I think the huge flight control surfaces would create enough friction, at worst the current drag-chute would be an option for short-distance landings.

 

[Quasar]

Frankly speaking if you find yourself using highways for landing and take off it means that things are not going well for you. As we all know For Sweeden and Finland it was a contingency plan in case a war with Russia during Cold War in a scenario where they may have limited ability to use their airfields or the orgin of V/STOL concept which was succesfully adapted for use from AC or even the desperate aircraft designs of NAZİ Germany are the reflections of the same idea.... So should KAAN land on Highways? would be good I guess

As a conclusion if you find yourself using highways for landing and take off it means that things are not going well for you... you can not win a war by using hayways

 

[Afif]

Frankly speaking if you find yourself using highways for landing and take off it means that things are not going well for you. As we all know For Sweeden and Finland it was a contingency plan in case a war with Russia during Cold War in a scenario where they may have limited ability to use their airfields or the orgin of V/STOL concept which was succesfully adapted for use from AC or even the desperate aircraft designs of NAZİ Germany are the reflections of the same idea.... So should KAAN land on Highways?

As a conclusion if you find yourself using highways for landing and take off it means that things are not going well for you... you can not win a war by using hayways

No. Operating from highways is part of USAF's new Agile combat employment CONOP.

 

[Quasar]

No. Operating from highways is part of USAF's new Agile combat employment CONOP.

No. the very same reflection of the very same idea if you look a bit carefully

 

[Afif]

No. the very same reflection of the very same idea if you look a bit carefully

It is more than that. I read their dcotrinal publication. Did you?

Operating from highways does not mean you are already at significant disadvantage. USAF is the most capable in the world by a wide margin. Still, ACE and operating from highways as part of it is their new CONOP from the get-go. Not because they are tactically or operationally desperate like Nazi Germany, or outgunned like Nordic countries.

 

[Quasar]

It is more than that. I read their dcotrinal publication. Did you?

Operating from highways does not mean you are already at significant disadvantage. USAF is the most capable in the world by a wide margin. Still, ACE and operating from highways as part of it is their new CONOP from the get-go. Not because they are tactically or operationally desperate like Nazi Germany, or outgunned like Nordic countries.

Good for you! So you read the dcotrinal publication and guess we have to assume that you understand it... right??

Lets read a small section of it together but this time lets put a mutual effort to understand it.

''As NATO peer and near-peer adversaries have continued to advance their intelligence-gathering, targeting, and long-range strike capabilities. Consequently, airbases, which have typically been geographically separated from conflict areas and represented relative safe havens, are increasingly vulnerable''

Doesn't this sound like a disturbance in their ontological securtiy?

I dont generally write aggressive comments but I dont like the way you replied....''I read their dcotrinal publication. Did you?'' this is not an argument and not a nice way to start

 

[Afif]

Good for you! So you read the dcotrinal publication and guess we have to assume that you understand it... right??


Lets read a small section of it together but this time lets put a mutual effort to understand it.

''As NATO peer and near-peer adversaries have continued to advance their intelligence-gathering, targeting, and long-range strike capabilities. Consequently, airbases, which have typically been geographically separated from conflict areas and represented relative safe havens, are increasingly vulnerable''

Doesn't this sound like a disturbance in their ontological securtiy?

So? I don't remember denying any overlaps or similarities bwtween two concepts or underpinning operational logic.

You said something very specific though. ACE is "the very same reflection of the very same idea if you look a bit carefully".

I disagreed and said, it is more than that.

Swedes didn't had any robust IAMD (specially BMD) like US military so they were disproportionately reliant on distributed operations from remote airfields and highways. USAF ACE CONOP very much include all types of active defenses of permanent bases and relies on it. While being contested, they expect to continuesly operate from there. However, it also conclude, IAMD, hardening and other measures are not fully sufficient. So, it reduces its sole reliance on permanent bases and distribute a good portion of its operations to small airfields and highways from the get-go.

Also, proactive intelligence plays an important role in force protection and risk management aspects of ACE. The quality and the quantity of which Swedes never had.

When, I am talking about KAAN landing on highways I am not merely copy pasting the Swedish concept. It's more similar to ACE. Where TurAF or any other friendly nation that operates KAAN has IAMD (including BMD) to protect permanent airbases and and contiue to fight for it and operate from there. At the same time distributing a portion of its operations to remote airfields and even highways.

I dont generally write aggressive comments but I dont like the way you replied....''I read their dcotrinal publication. Did you?'' this is not an argument and not a nice way to start

I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence. It was a simple question. And frankly, now it seems more relevant given you quoted something that isn't exactly from USAF ACE doctrine.

https://www.doctrine.af.mil/Portals/61/documents/AFDN_1-21/AFDN%201-21%20ACE.pdf

 

[dBSPL]

It is possible for heavy aircrafts with a wing area of less than 13-14 meters to land on roads in many region of Turkiye, but especially in the inner western Anatolia. I don't want to give details here, but this is something that is already taken into consideration in the projects of the Transportation, from leveling and infrastructure to expropriation works if necessary. Not for every road , but for as many as necessary. In addition, the standard width of the newly constructed highway tunnels is +21 meters and the standard height is approximately 9 meters, all of these tunnels were built using the NATM method or with TBM and in accordance with the technical regulations that can remain active in earthquakes of at least 7.25 moment without any damage. There are similar roads on the other side of the border in Bulgaria, even if they are dilapidated from lack of maintenance. When I passed with car about 10 years ago, it was in incredibly bad shape, I don't know its current condition. There are similar roads in Greece too. I think almost all of the NATO countries in this region have asphalt roads, either left over from the Cold War era or still well maintained, wide and level enough for jets to land on.

The situation in Sweden is different, it's not just about jets landing on paved roads. It's about a fully distributed logistics system approach, which includes hiding the combat aircraft of the air force in the forests and performing ground maintenance activities there, if necessary. The reasons are obvious: the Soviet strategic bombing capability. Very for this reason, both generations of fighter jets developed by the Swedes have been fighter jets with a minimal logistics footprint. The F-35 may be able to land on the edge of the forests, yes, but can you provide ground maintenance and logistics with units carried on trailers behind the pickups? It is debatable how suitable the aircraft's information management system is for this approach, let alone the logistics. Anyway, I will not get into this ball too much since it has too many fans.

Anyway, in conclusion, I don't think that F-16 will be the last single-engine fighter in the history of Turkish Air Force. KAAN start fill from above as direct F-22 competitor, and unmanned jets like Anka-3 and KE will start from below; solution range of Turkish aviation industry will be shaped to meet all needs in time. At the same time, I think such discussions also indicate the point at which the Turkish aviation industry has reached. Still, I would rather discuss whether KE can hide in the forests before KAAN

 

[MADDOG]

Touch screen developed by STG for Turkey's 5th generation fighter jet KAAN. Unlike the F-35 screen, the design does not reflect. The current design, which was tested on KAAN's first prototype and received feedback, was exhibited at SAHA EXPO. - Avionout

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850539913919254608

Thank you for posting. STG has done a fantastic job with it. Mind the fingers, the screen is usually quite hot

TAI is currently using the internally developed LAD on Hurjet now, but STG also plans to integrate their platform on the Hurjet and that deal is progressing nicely.

Their focal point is standardization. They aim to equip a wide range of platforms with the same large area display in the not too distant future.