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[hugh]

In that case not having a purchase order in place for Hürjet engines is even more mind boggling.

the engine order for Hürjet LCA should be made asap. that way we could have a better idea of the likelihood of them denying us KAAN's engines. But either way I don't think we have any alternatives to F110s other than our TF35K.

 

[Spitfire9]

the engine order for Hürjet LCA should be made asap. that way we could have a better idea of the likelihood of them denying us KAAN's engines. But either way I don't think we have any alternatives to F110s other than our TF35K.

What I read from official Turkish sources is that 20 KAAN will be delivered in 2028. For that to be possible, does Turkiye not have to organise engines for them soon? If F110 use in KAAN could be denied, the sooner that is revealed, the sooner that Turkiye can decide on its strategy for KAAN if F110 cannot be used

- carry on alone with TF35000 for as long as it takes (and buy an interim fighter)
- lower the spec of TF35000 to accelerate completion (derated V1, to be followed later by full spec V2)
- call in RR on a consultancy basis to accelerate completion using the current spec engine
- ??

 

[2033]

What I read from official Turkish sources is that 20 KAAN will be delivered in 2028. For that to be possible, does Turkiye not have to organise engines for them soon? If F110 use in KAAN could be denied, the sooner that is revealed, the sooner that Turkiye can decide on its strategy for KAAN if F110 cannot be used

- carry on alone with TF35000 for as long as it takes (and buy an interim fighter)
- lower the spec of TF35000 to accelerate completion (derated V1, to be followed later by full spec V2)
- call in RR on a consultancy basis to accelerate completion using the current spec engine
- ??

A company called TAEC was established with RR-Kale partnership, but I think there has been no progress on that. We have to build this engine completely ourselves.

 

[Saithan]

What I read from official Turkish sources is that 20 KAAN will be delivered in 2028. For that to be possible, does Turkiye not have to organise engines for them soon? If F110 use in KAAN could be denied, the sooner that is revealed, the sooner that Turkiye can decide on its strategy for KAAN if F110 cannot be used

- carry on alone with TF35000 for as long as it takes (and buy an interim fighter)
- lower the spec of TF35000 to accelerate completion (derated V1, to be followed later by full spec V2)
- call in RR on a consultancy basis to accelerate completion using the current spec engine
- ??

As I recall the 20 engines should already have been secured as the amounts acquisitioned were below a certain amount that could be completed without the Senates involvment. But I could be remembering wrongly...

 

[hugh]

Already ordered.

HÜRJET ve KAAN’ın motoru için ABD’den izin çıkmazsa ne olur? | SavunmaSanayiST

Milli Muharip Uçak KAAN ve HÜRJET Jet Eğitim ve Hafif Taarruz Uçağı’nın motorları için ABD’den izin çıkmazsa ne olur? Mehmet Demiroğlu bu soruyu yanıtladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

for LCA?

 

[Saithan]

Already ordered 100 F404 engines in 2023.

HÜRJET için ABD'ye sipariş edilen F404 motor adedi açıklandı

TUSAŞ, HÜRJET Jet Eğitim ve Hafif Taarruz Uçağı için ABD'ye sipariş edilen F404 motoru adedini açıkladı. ABD'li GE şirketine, 100 adet motor sipariş edildi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Already ordered.

HÜRJET ve KAAN’ın motoru için ABD’den izin çıkmazsa ne olur? | SavunmaSanayiST

Milli Muharip Uçak KAAN ve HÜRJET Jet Eğitim ve Hafif Taarruz Uçağı’nın motorları için ABD’den izin çıkmazsa ne olur? Mehmet Demiroğlu bu soruyu yanıtladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Sounds very fishy tbh, you don't order 100 engine without a planned production schedule.

Turkish Aerospace, TUSAŞ Engine Industries and GE Aerospace Sign MOU to Extend Collaboration on HÜRJET Advanced Training Jet Program | GE Aerospace News

GE Aerospace F404 turbofan engines would be integrated into the HÜRJET program’s new variants Complementary capabilities among three companies support success of first

www.geaerospace.com

While this is from July 2024, and as I see it it's collaboration. I doubt we've ordered 100 engine tbh. If it was the case I expect a non Turkish reliable source would announce it.

Found this

How Turkey's Order of 100 F404 Engines Could Boost India's Tejas Mk1A Deliveries

Turkey's recent move to procure 100 F404 engines for its Hurjet light fighter jet has significant implications for India's Tejas Mk1A program. As both aircraft rely on the same engine family, the...

defence.in

But I don'tt know if they've just looked at our defense news and continue the same narrative.

Here they say we've formally requested

Turkey Submits Formal Request to Acquire "Hurjet", "KAAN" Fighter Jet Engines from the US - Defence Security Asia

Turkey has reportedly submitted a formal request to the United States to purchase engines for its light fighter jet, "Hurjet," and the fifth-generation fighter jet, "KAAN," currently under development.

defencesecurityasia.com

September 2024

 

[Nilgiri]

As you guys have pointed out this is why I consider Hürjet trainer to be of utmost importance over KAAN atm. Because our so called allies would probably not mind selling us 90 engines for trainer jets.

So if we later on, after building them all, should have the need to convert them to LCA (light combat aircraft) and we can do that with minimal work, then we can still fly and wipe our arses, even if just barely.

But like I said earlier, making the LCA, and then asking for senate permission to buy trainer jet engine is going to be much more difficult.

Yes 3-4 years ago I mention that kind of thing many times, here's one instance:

It is why I personally follow Hurjet project lot closer. The timelines are sooner, more things matured/maturing quicker for it.... and it will illustrate the ecosystem maturity to take forward with TFX.

i.e we will see good proof one way or another (of everything you mention having to come together) in timeframe some are getting into (somewhat unnecessary tone) debate about.

There is no need to overly-praise or overly-diminish a solid project that is in the flow of things right now (that we cannot judge in some close-up microsystem way).

Results simply can be monitored and followed and compared with the debate preceding it....there should be no rush to produce judgement in this juncture from relatively casual observers + enthusiasts.

As you can sense and find all the issues lot quicker with smaller aircraft (both internally and with outside suppliers) that still ticks the important boxes (jet propulsion, avionics, LCA weapons capability)..... a more nimble project that can pump out a quicker production run ASAP too.

Any issues surfacing there gives early detection of same issues with TFX later and it buys you some time to think and develop solutions for that, rather than get shortchanged and stuck later.

 

[Sanchez]

New (larger?) engine project by Kale, named Biga. Signed with SSB this year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1867173360721104938

 

[Sanchez]

And it looks like it will be Turbojet, because in the last sentence it states "ARATJET, BIGAJET".

Turbofans are jets too

 

[Anmdt]

Turbofans are jets too

I am certain that Gezgin won't have a single version/block, Turbofan version will exist for Navy and BiGA should be the turbofan.

B i G A, what this could be ? Can't relate to anything but a small province in Marmara region. Should be something within the initials Bi and G + A. Or simply "Big Arat?"

 

[TheInsider]

Production plan/projection of Kale Jet engines.
Blue: Guided munitions(KGK kit, no engine)
White: Stand-off missiles (engine)
Beige: Anti-ship missiles (engine)

A production rate of over 9000 engines per year will be reached by 2032.
Kale plans to produce over 1000 engines(probably close to 1500) in 2025. (stand-off+anti-ship)
Note that Kale alone produced over 2000 KGK kits in 2023. Now we have other companies that produce guidance kits too. We have a huge production capacity.

Kale is developing Aratjet, Bigajet, and a variant of KTJ-1750 for drones. The KTJ-3200 variant for SOM is named KTJ-3200S, and the Atmaca variant is named KTJ-3200A there are also other variants for different projects.

You can read from page 65 unfortunately it is in Turkish.

https://kalejetengines.com/uploads/a071fb54-4b5b-42fd-ae5e-d3bbeafb376b.pdf

 

[TheInsider]

 

[TR_123456]

Can you explain what a 'continuous wave engine' is?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Can you explain what a 'continuous wave engine' is?

https://www.eucass.eu/component/docindexer/?task=download&id=2692

Essentially it is a CRDE. Continuously Rotating Detonation engine. As the fuel is injected in to the combustion chamber in a continuous manner, the detonations are formed in a wave motion creating a CDWRE .

Propulsion Systems

There is still a long way to go with this engine. We have only managed to run it for 10seconds. It needs to operate flawlessly before we can say we have “developed“ it. Nevertheless, what Tubitak has achieved is exemplary. Great step towards developing this engine. As conventional air breathing...

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[dBSPL]

TUBITAK Marmara Research Center (MAM) Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Technologies Research Group has developed Turkiye's first domestic high capacity proton exchange membrane (PEM) type electrolyzer to obtain hydrogen with 99.9 percent purity. The green hydrogen to be obtained from the PEM electrolyzer system will be used to cool the turbine generators at the EnerjiSa Natural Gas Power Plant.

Türkiye'nin enerjisini yükseltecek hidrojen için yerli elektrolizör üretildi

Enerjide arz güvenliğini sağlamaya yönelik yeni projeleri devreye alan Türkiye, stratejik bir adım daha atarak, yeşil hidrojen üretiminde anahtar rol oynayan elektrolizörü yerli olarak üretti. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871896968752148604

Our TEI-PG50 engine, Turkey's first two-stroke gasoline aviation engine, has a 30,000 ft. Do you know that it is the world leader in its class with altitude?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871896968752148604

Our TEI-PG50 engine, Turkey's first two-stroke gasoline aviation engine, has a 30,000 ft. Do you know that it is the world leader in its class with altitude?

Can we build with this engine cheap drone just to hunt other drones without to much money spent like iranian doing that some of their small drones aslo downed tb2 or aksungur ??

 

[YeşilVatan]

Can we build with this engine cheap drone just to hunt other drones without to much money spent like iranian doing that some of their small drones aslo downed tb2 or aksungur ??

Kozan Selçuk Erkan mentioned Iranians use an off the shelf small jet engine for 358. That kind of engine is more in Kale arge's roundhouse but I may be wrong about that.

 

[Sanchez]

Do you know that it is the world leader in its class with altitude?

If I had to guess, because noone else in the world has the need for such an engine. All of the competitors of Aksungur and even Anka use turboprop engines.

Can we build with this engine cheap drone just to hunt other drones without to much money spent like iranian doing that some of their small drones aslo downed tb2 or aksungur ??

358 uses a small jet engine. A killer drone with this engine would be too short of breathe.

 

[Shtr]

Any news about TF6000?