TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Saithan]

Which is why it is redundant to fantasize about it and fill the thread with unnecessary clutter.

100 KAAN flying and launching all missiles in our arsenal (that it can) can change things. But anything before that is an attempt to disrupt our walk towards independence.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Secondly nobody speaks it up, we were also partner in the F35 program. What happened?

Who says a Britain (who did not give our ships in WW1) will not at a point when their interest requires so kick Turkiye out of the Tempest program? What guarantees are there?

I do not think that a tempest program is even remotely worth to sacrifice our own jet program for it.

It's not about giving something up, but cooperation on a GEN 6 aircraft really makes sense.
TAI KAAN as a GEN 5 makes sense because Turkey does not have its own GEN 4.5 fighter aircraft, and they will not give up this aircraft either, everyone is sure of that.
It is simply about having an aircraft from 2045 as an absolute high-end superiority fighter, TAI KAAN and I am 100% sure that with Block 3 or 4 at the latest will become more of a multi-role fighter than a superiority fighter in terms of profile.
Because the platform as it was designed can no longer fulfill its original mission because its design is outdated.
This has happened with the F-15, Rafaele and the Eurofighter.

Turkey with the British, Italians and Japanese have not had a troublesome foreign policy in the last 20 years. So we are talking about a strategic cooperation here, of course nobody can rule out that it will go well and not stumble....we could fall flat on our faces again as with the F-35 project.
But look what Turkey has gained from the F-35 development in terms of know-how and active/passive technology transfer alone, which has been a huge benefit.

 

[Saithan]

You fail to understand that if we are not invited to the table, then there is nothing we can do.

And to be invited to the table requires more than "not have had any problems with".

 

[dBSPL]

KAAN is an optionaly manned combatant platform according to the roadmap. This needs to be reminded from time to time.

Secondly, there are aviation companies in Turkiye too, working on AI-Human cognitive interfaces, one of which is HAVELSAN. Thanks to the KAAN project, we have already started to work concretely on many technologies that will form the basis of the 6th generation in the future.

 

[Saithan]

I just posted under science a tweet about US restricting Türkiyes access to AI tech. There goes your wet dream of 6.gen

 

[IC3M@N FX]

You fail to understand that if we are not invited to the table, then there is nothing we can do.

And to be invited to the table requires more than "not have had any problems with".

I know , but we are only talking hypothetically about whether there would be a benefit for Turkish industry if we were invited to join the consortium.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I just posted under science a tweet about US restricting Türkiyes access to AI tech. There goes your wet dream of 6.gen

This shot will definitely backfire because you will now see a lot more countries getting together in a working group and developing GPU/AI design and sending it as contract work to FABs in China, Taiwan or South Korea for production in a reasonably modern manufacturing facility.

This has already been more or less confirmed by many experts that they will then develop their own designs or simply source their chips from China.
The USA has nothing to say and the new rules for AI chips prove that they are fighting back to avoid being overtaken.

 

[Huelague]

This shot will definitely backfire because you will now see a lot more countries getting together in a working group and developing GPU/AI design and sending it as contract work to FABs in China, Taiwan or South Korea for production in a reasonably modern manufacturing facility.

This has already been more or less confirmed by many experts that they will then develop their own designs or simply source their chips from China.
The USA has nothing to say and the new rules for AI chips prove that they are fighting back to avoid being overtaken.

Not to mention that Trump is not the biggest „buddy“ of UK. And UK has to find its own ways and new „buddy’s“ like Türkiye.

 

[Huelague]

 

[CAN_TR]

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Why are you sharing an art impression of the Tempest/GCAP?

 

[Huelague]

Why are you sharing an art impression of the Tempest/GCAP?

I have the picture from the yesterday conference of SBB.
1:40 min

 

[CAN_TR]

I have the picture from the yesterday conference of SBB.
1:40 min

It's not from the conference the dude just add it in...

 

[boredaf]

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Mate, you really need to stop thinking every image on these videos you watch are official stuff. Creating these images are easier than ever before. Unless they come straight from the source, meaning TAI, Baykar etc, this is just muddying the water and nothing else.

 

[Spitfire9]

If I were the Saudis, I would try to buy both the F-35 and Kaan if only to diversify sources and not be subject to whims of a single supplier. They can certainly afford it.

I agree. It's the sensible thing to do politically. But if US won't supply F-35, why would they allow KAAN to be supplied with a US engine?

 

[Spitfire9]

If Saudi Arabia buys 100 KAAN then at least Block 0,1 and 2 will be financed.
The only question is whether they want to buy Block 0-1 or only Block 2 with Turkish Engines.
Block 0-1 will be equipped with F-110 129, the USA could block it in order not to prevent their own export possibilities.

What is the current estimate/guesstimate for KAAN with TF35000 to enter production?

 

[TheInsider]

What is the current estimate/guesstimate for KAAN with TF35000 to enter production?

2031-32.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

What is the current estimate/guesstimate for KAAN with TF35000 to enter production?

I think that the engine will be ready in 2033/34, not before.

 

[Spitfire9]

2031-32.

I doubt that. How many years will it take before the first TF10000 production engine is produced? Even with lessons learned from TF10000 development helping to shorten the time needed to develop TF35000, when will those lessons learned be available to feed into TF35000 development?

Just my uninformed reaction, for what it's worth.

 

[Yasar_TR]

These last few posts and the timeline given about KAAN are like a poker table bidding.
First it was Mr Kotil who gave us 2028 as the first indigenous KAAN engine to fly the plane.
Tusas MD Demiroglu said that in first half of 2030 KAAN will fly with completely indigenous engines.
Then Current SSB recently said 2030 is the date.
Now our members are increasing the bidding war to 2031-2032-2033-2034.

First we need to see a demonstrator fired. Then a prototype that can fly the KAAN.
We don’t know yet, what sort of difficulties we will be confronted with in the days and years to come.
Even after the engines fly the first time, there may be many new obstacles we need to overcome.
Do we know if we have solved the cooling of the extensively complex, heat generating avionics present in a stealth plane? Have we managed to cool the engine effectively so that IR signature is minimised and dispersed?

The F22 has a special system with which it cools down the large avionic heat generation. It uses a totally integrated liquid based environmental control system (ECS) that provides thermal conditioning throughout the flight envelope for the pilot and the avionics. It uses a liquid cooling system rather than air as it gives better and more positive results. It uses the plane’s fuel to cool down the heated refrigerant as it cycles through the system.

The engine’s heat signature is masked through specially designed air ducts that cools the air around the engine with a totally closed loop operation system of refrigerant and heat exchanger.

These are just some of the few new technologies that Tusas has to implement and test on a physical engine and plane.
Just check out some of the ground breaking innovations F22 has, in below article.

It is no small feat to get a stealth plane up and flying with all the bells and whistles. It may take time to harmonise everything. But to know when all will be complete, is an open ended string. Let us wait and see and believe in what the people who know what they are doing, in stead of theorising without any foundation.

F-22 Flight Critical Systems

www.globalsecurity.org

 

[Spitfire9]

It is no small feat to get a stealth plane up and flying with all the bells and whistles. It may take time to harmonise everything. But to know when all will be complete, is an open ended string. Let us wait and see and believe in what the people who know what they are doing, in stead of theorising without any foundation.

Fair comment but I remain curious as to when the TF35000 programme is likely to culminate in production engines coming off a production line.