TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

 

[CAN_TR]

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Why are you sharing an art impression of the Tempest/GCAP?

 

[Huelague]

Why are you sharing an art impression of the Tempest/GCAP?

I have the picture from the yesterday conference of SBB.
1:40 min

 

[CAN_TR]

I have the picture from the yesterday conference of SBB.
1:40 min

It's not from the conference the dude just add it in...

 

[boredaf]

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Mate, you really need to stop thinking every image on these videos you watch are official stuff. Creating these images are easier than ever before. Unless they come straight from the source, meaning TAI, Baykar etc, this is just muddying the water and nothing else.

 

[Spitfire9]

If I were the Saudis, I would try to buy both the F-35 and Kaan if only to diversify sources and not be subject to whims of a single supplier. They can certainly afford it.

I agree. It's the sensible thing to do politically. But if US won't supply F-35, why would they allow KAAN to be supplied with a US engine?

 

[Spitfire9]

If Saudi Arabia buys 100 KAAN then at least Block 0,1 and 2 will be financed.
The only question is whether they want to buy Block 0-1 or only Block 2 with Turkish Engines.
Block 0-1 will be equipped with F-110 129, the USA could block it in order not to prevent their own export possibilities.

What is the current estimate/guesstimate for KAAN with TF35000 to enter production?

 

[TheInsider]

What is the current estimate/guesstimate for KAAN with TF35000 to enter production?

2031-32.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

What is the current estimate/guesstimate for KAAN with TF35000 to enter production?

I think that the engine will be ready in 2033/34, not before.

 

[Spitfire9]

2031-32.

I doubt that. How many years will it take before the first TF10000 production engine is produced? Even with lessons learned from TF10000 development helping to shorten the time needed to develop TF35000, when will those lessons learned be available to feed into TF35000 development?

Just my uninformed reaction, for what it's worth.

 

[Yasar_TR]

These last few posts and the timeline given about KAAN are like a poker table bidding.
First it was Mr Kotil who gave us 2028 as the first indigenous KAAN engine to fly the plane.
Tusas MD Demiroglu said that in first half of 2030 KAAN will fly with completely indigenous engines.
Then Current SSB recently said 2030 is the date.
Now our members are increasing the bidding war to 2031-2032-2033-2034.

First we need to see a demonstrator fired. Then a prototype that can fly the KAAN.
We don’t know yet, what sort of difficulties we will be confronted with in the days and years to come.
Even after the engines fly the first time, there may be many new obstacles we need to overcome.
Do we know if we have solved the cooling of the extensively complex, heat generating avionics present in a stealth plane? Have we managed to cool the engine effectively so that IR signature is minimised and dispersed?

The F22 has a special system with which it cools down the large avionic heat generation. It uses a totally integrated liquid based environmental control system (ECS) that provides thermal conditioning throughout the flight envelope for the pilot and the avionics. It uses a liquid cooling system rather than air as it gives better and more positive results. It uses the plane’s fuel to cool down the heated refrigerant as it cycles through the system.

The engine’s heat signature is masked through specially designed air ducts that cools the air around the engine with a totally closed loop operation system of refrigerant and heat exchanger.

These are just some of the few new technologies that Tusas has to implement and test on a physical engine and plane.
Just check out some of the ground breaking innovations F22 has, in below article.

It is no small feat to get a stealth plane up and flying with all the bells and whistles. It may take time to harmonise everything. But to know when all will be complete, is an open ended string. Let us wait and see and believe in what the people who know what they are doing, in stead of theorising without any foundation.

F-22 Flight Critical Systems

www.globalsecurity.org

 

[Spitfire9]

It is no small feat to get a stealth plane up and flying with all the bells and whistles. It may take time to harmonise everything. But to know when all will be complete, is an open ended string. Let us wait and see and believe in what the people who know what they are doing, in stead of theorising without any foundation.

Fair comment but I remain curious as to when the TF35000 programme is likely to culminate in production engines coming off a production line.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

@Yasar_TR
We are talking about only about the subcomponent Engine.
You know very well that the development and production of a high-performance engine takes an average of 8-10 years, that's almost a rule of thumb. And this rule applies to every industrial nation, so unless we have special magic powers like Harry Potter, it won't change much .

 

[Huelague]

I doubt that. How many years will it take before the first TF10000 production engine is produced? Even with lessons learned from TF10000 development helping to shorten the time needed to develop TF35000, when will those lessons learned be available to feed into TF35000 development?

Just my uninformed reaction, for what it's worth.

Haluk Görgün (SSB) said between 2029-2030. Between 5-6 years will that test phase long.

 

[Yasar_TR]

@Yasar_TR
We are talking about only about the subcomponent Engine.
You know very well that the development and production of a high-performance engine takes an average of 8-10 years, that's almost a rule of thumb. And this rule applies to every industrial nation, so unless we have special magic powers like Harry Potter, it won't change much .

That is probably correct for a company like GE, P&W orRR. Turkey doesn’t have a company that has the knowledge and physical&practical know how to accomplish such an engineering project. It needs an eco system to support it. We may know how it is built. But it is not the same as physically doing it yourself. (But then again; We hadn’t built a jet plane on our own. Yet we built two in a record time. TS1400, albeit a copy of the Honeywell engine and smaller, took TEI around 6 years to fly.)

We only started to develop this engine on the drawing board in April 2018. It has been going on ever since. There is a secrecy around the whole project and the development schedule, apart from an official, coming forward every now and then, telling public it will be ready in 2028 etc etc. The people responsible for the project don’t give away much either; Apart from it is going to be an indigenous (Yerli/milli) engine. Yet there are rumours that certain foreign input is being used in the form of them being part of a consortium.

I Sunnetci is a dependable source. Read below article; His take on the whole project is probably going to answer most questions, for the time being.

https://www.defenceturkey.com/files/content/5f452864201c4.pdf

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Haluk Görgün (SSB) said between 2029-2030. Between 5-6 years will that test phase long.

Like @Yasar_TR üstad said; There's really no way to know this for sure.
I personally have faith in our defence companies (apart from the usual suspects) that if everything went smoothly, we could be able to see Kaan flying with indigenous engines by 2030, however, engines are very complex, and the slightest miscalculation or error in design or alloy combos could set you back for years if not back to the drawing board which had happened more often than one thinks. So let's wait and see.

 

[Fairon]

I doubt that. How many years will it take before the first TF10000 production engine is produced? Even with lessons learned from TF10000 development helping to shorten the time needed to develop TF35000, when will those lessons learned be available to feed into TF35000 development?

Just my uninformed reaction, for what it's worth.

We kinda specialized in the simultaneous development of projects that supposed to feed each other.

Like Hurjet developement supposed to feed KAAN but we are seeing that both of the projects are ongoing simultaneously. That probably will happen to TF35000 as well, as we heard from Mr. Aksit(Head of TEI) that preliminary work has been started for TF35000.

It won't be fast, that is expected but it seems that TF35000 won't wait for TF10000 to be fully matured.

So we will see.

 

[Huelague]

Like @Yasar_TR üstad said; There's really no way to know this for sure.

Haluk Görgün know this.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Haluk Görgün know this.

He's projecting it. There's no way anyone would know what the future holds. I hope you understood me now.

 

[Huelague]

He's projecting it. There's no way anyone would know what the future holds. I hope you understood me now.

I hope you understand what I’m trying to say to you. You can, of course, predict exactly what can or will happen in the future. If you have all the necessary informations.
Don’t let us go further and let’s wait what will happen.