TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Ripley]

I see it as new Hürkuş loading. TAI doesn't have the time and resources available to build it as such, they don't have a viable engine, they probably don't have the necessary back and forth with the army either. On top of that, increasing brain drain, continued lack of funding, claimed sunk cost of 500 million dollars on the development already and they are now probably stuck.

Don't let my enthusiasm showing from seeing the actual picture. A design changing this much in such a short time frame multiple times is a sign of disaster in the making. T925 majorly changed 4 times since 2018, T929 changed at least 3 times. And these are just the publicly available ones. It's not looking too good. T925 is claimed to make its first flight this year. Let's see.

Your “enthusiasm” surely don’t leave any room for dreams and wishful thinking

T925 was my favorite project among many others. I was sincerely hopeful but schedule changes, delays, lack of engine all were red flags. And when I heard they were redesigning to scale it down, that’s when my heart sank.

We really, really needed that beast.

 

[No Name]

We really, really needed that beast.

Does the army need it that much? Hasn't the entire idea of heavy attack helicopters become somewhat antiquated by how common manpads are these days?

 

[Ripley]

Does the army need it that much? Hasn't the entire idea of heavy attack helicopters become somewhat antiquated by how common manpads are these days?

I was referring to T925, heavy cargo heli.
And I dont believe a new and heavier attack helicopter should be top of the list, either.

 

[boredaf]

Well, T-70 is apparently dead, at least for now.

T-70 programı kısmi olarak durduruldu

Lockheed Martin tarafından 2025 yılının başında paylaşılan belgeye göre T-70 programı kısmi olarak durduruldu.

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Saithan]

Will Gökbey be a stopgap solution for S70, I know their specs are completly different, but I do not think we are in a position to not keep supplying our armed forces with more Helicopters and we need to be doing it constantly.

I thought the T925 was going to be such a platform like S70 and if you look at the armed version of S70 it's pretty bad ass.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Will Gökbey be a stopgap solution for S70, I know their specs are completly different, but I do not think we are in a position to not keep supplying our armed forces with more Helicopters and we need to be doing it constantly.

I thought the T925 was going to be such a platform like S70 and if you look at the armed version of S70 it's pretty bad ass.

till T925 is ready in 2030 we have a dire need for medium helicopters and gökbey will go in to full serial production in 2028 with different versions but with trump in the white House the chance for a continuance is high but i think gökbey is more needed than t925

 

[Saithan]

till T925 is ready in 2030 we have a dire need for medium helicopters and gökbey will go in to full serial production in 2028 with different versions but with trump in the white House the chance for a continuance is high but i think gökbey is more needed than t925

Yes, while current Gökbey is using HTEC engine we have not heard anything with regards to the domestic engine TS1400, and that's not a good thing imo.

 

[No Name]

Here is an interesting video about the role of attack helicopters in the modern battlefield

To those wondering who he Michael Shurkin was a nonresident fellow with the Atlantic Council’s Africa Center.

Shurkin is an expert in European defence and West African politics and security. He holds a PhD from Yale University, and his experience includes serving on the National Security Council, being the senior political scientist at RAND, and serving as a political analyst at the Central Intelligence Agency.

He is currently a lecturer at Johns Hopkins University, an adjunct professor at the Maxwell School of Citizenship & Public Affairs, the director of global programs at 14 North Strategies, and the founder and president of Shurbros Global Strategies.

 

[Sanchez]

Özbek claims US and Turkey are discussing continuing the stalled T70 program.

T-70 projesinde kalan 70 helikopter için Türkiye ve ABD masada – Tolga Özbek

tolgaozbek.com

 

[Fairon]

Özbek claims US and Turkey are discussing continuing the stalled T70 program.

T-70 projesinde kalan 70 helikopter için Türkiye ve ABD masada – Tolga Özbek

tolgaozbek.com

Isn't the reason we can't produce more T70s not because of CAATSA but because the license in the original agreement expired?

Also, they have just started negotiations?

Guess no good news coming from T925 development.

 

[boredaf]

Isn't the reason we can't produce more T70s not because of CAATSA but because the license in the original agreement expired?

Also, they have just started negotiations?

Guess no good news coming from T925 development.

Nope, it was CAATSA, there was an announcement from L&M, as it is mentioned in the article, and it isn't about expiration.

 

[Fairon]

Nope, it was CAATSA, there was an announcement from L&M, as it is mentioned in the article, and it isn't about expiration.

There was lots of talks about we can only build T70's till certain year and after that we have to renew the agreement.(which requires a congress approval)

With quick search I could only found below article which states the deadline as AUG24. (There was lots of more detailed information available but at the time I couldn't found it) We could only build 38 of the 109 helicopters due to national avionics and equipment development took so long.

T-70 helikopteri için kritik ay Ağustos | SavunmaSanayiST

TUSAŞ tarafından üretilen T-70 Genel Maksat Helikopteri için Ağustos 2024 kritik bir ay olarak öne çıkıyor. Helikopterdeki lisans sorunun akıbeti, ağustos ayı

www.savunmasanayist.com

I know L&M made an annoucement and it coincides with the AUG24 date.

CAATSA definitely made it much difficult to extend the agreement, I agree but the main reason is not that.(After all we build the T70's under CAATSA)

Well in the end we could say it is because of CAATSA, without it we probably wouldn't have trouble renewing the agreement but still..