Mongolians study traditional writing after China pushes language reforms in Inner Mongolia

[Nilgiri]

@Saithan you will find this one interesting...

 

[Saithan]

@Saithan you will find this one interesting...

I do not see Mongolia being able to hold on to their identity. Unless they free themselves from CCP. The reason is that CCP will work through every angle to wittle/root out everything except their own identity.

Even the propoganda material showing Uyghur Turks having a great life ( and there probably are some) will in the end be subjected to CCP policy of eradication. Call it a 100 year plan.

 

[xizhimen]

The irony is only Mongols in Chinese Inner Mongolia are still able to preserve their culture and languge, Mongols in Mongolia had long adopted Russian style language and names.

Mongols in Mongolia republic can't read their own traditional language

The same is also true for those former Soviet Union central Asian Stan countries.


"The difference in alphabets has split the Mongolian people, with three million living in Mongolia and writing in Cyrillic, and nearly six million in Inner Mongolia, a Chinese region who use the traditional script is used."

 

[xizhimen]

People in republic of Mongolia need Chinese teachers to go there to teach them traditional Mongolian writing. they have long forgotten their roots.

A school in Mongolia. The Cyrillic alphabet has been used since 1941 to write Mongolian. / Photo: World Bank Photo Collection.

 

[Nilgiri]

I do not see Mongolia being able to hold on to their identity. Unless they free themselves from CCP. The reason is that CCP will work through every angle to wittle/root out everything except their own identity.

Even the propoganda material showing Uyghur Turks having a great life ( and there probably are some) will in the end be subjected to CCP policy of eradication. Call it a 100 year plan.

I think they got better chance than most (non-Han) since they actually have their own country (Mongolia). Quite unlike Uighurs and Tibetans (though Tibetans arguably have himalayan sanctuary areas in India, Nepal and Bhutan etc where pristine Tibetan language and culture is nurtured). Uighurs are ones that suffer the most in this regard as they have not much presence outside of xinjiang in cultural sanctuary sense (other than ones that have fled etc).

Anyway Mongol Interest in their older script is active and being nurtured there (in Mongolia):

This one in China (inner mongolia) is prompted by CCP move to replace mongolian taught classes with Mandarin (in typical way).

CCP cannot prevent outside of class interest...not with whole country next door acting as stoic repository and sanctuary for Mongolian culture.

It is actually kind of ironic in that it was in Inner Mongolia that the original script was preserved/used during cold war more compared to Mongolia which came under USSR orbit strongly and replaced to cyrillic. Inner mongolia was something like a sanctuary then....I guess with sino-soviet split they were seen as useful foil by CCP toward CPSU.

Now there is role reversal. Mongolia is clearly charging forward to re-establish its elder identity, whereas inner mongolia come under increasing CCP typical reactionary "standardisation".

 

[xizhimen]

I think they got better chance than most (non-Han) since they actually have their own country (Mongolia). Quite unlike Uighurs and Tibetans (though Tibetans arguably have himalayan sanctuary areas in India, Nepal and Bhutan etc where pristine Tibetan language and culture is nurtured). Uighurs are ones that suffer the most in this regard as they have not much presence outside of xinjiang in cultural sanctuary sense (other than ones that have fled etc).

Anyway Mongol Interest in their older script is active and being nurtured there (in Mongolia):

This one in China (inner mongolia) is prompted by CCP move to replace mongolian taught classes with Mandarin (in typical way).

CCP cannot prevent outside of class interest...not with whole country next door acting as stoic repository and sanctuary for Mongolian culture.

It is actually kind of ironic in that it was in Inner Mongolia that the original script was preserved/used during cold war more compared to Mongolia which came under USSR orbit strongly and replaced to cyrillic. Inner mongolia was something like a sanctuary then....I guess with sino-soviet split they were seen as useful foil by CCP toward CPSU.

Now there is role reversal. Mongolia is clearly charging forward to re-establish its elder identity, whereas inner mongolia come under increasing CCP typical reactionary "standardisation".

After 70 years, Uighurs still speak and write their own language, have their own traditional names, public signs in XInjiang are usually biligual, while in former Soviet central Asian republics they all adopted Russian language and have Russian names. this facts speaks volume.

As for assimilation, no country did it better than US, many second generation Chinese can not read or speak Chinese, english language helps the all the people in US form a national identification and cohesion despite different races and ethnicity.

Distinction will definitely cause division and separation in the long run, we learned this fact from both Chinese and foreign hisotries.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes lets compare people who immigrated out of their own volition to another country (US)...

to ones that woke up one fine day to see PLA/PRC/CCP taking over their East Turkestan.

Good numba wan approach and equivalency.

Obviously wont be any propaganda obscuring the truth on any other matter pertaining to this clearly.

That remote sensing showing the camps scale and presence, naaaaah means nothing....because we say so *pushes shoves reporters from any other country that try go there and find the truth independently*

 

[Nilgiri]

It is always good to see @Fuzuli NL signature btw.... its also interesting the link between turkic languages and mongolian language in previous video I posted @xenon5434

 

[xizhimen]

though Tibetans arguably have himalayan sanctuary areas in India, Nepal and Bhutan etc where pristine Tibetan language and culture is nurtured).

All 3 countries you mentioned are very poor and underdeveloped, cause they resist to change, nothing stays forever, China changed dramatically than she was 100 years ago. One shouldn't refuse to change and move forward under the excuse of perserving the tradition and culture.

Besides, all 3 nations have their own ethnic problems, they are not shining example to follow, every country has their own ways in managing their domestic issues due to different circumstances.

 

[xizhimen]

Yes lets compare people who immigrated out of their own volition to another country (US)...

Almost all people living in US were and are immigrants, Europeans in US are also immigrants.

 

[xizhimen]

Yes lets compare people who immigrated out of their own volition to another country (US)...

to ones that woke up one fine day to see PLA/PRC/CCP taking over their East Turkestan.

Good numba wan approach and equivalency.

Obviously wont be any propaganda obscuring the truth on any other matter pertaining to this clearly.

That remote sensing showing the camps scale and presence, naaaaah means nothing....because we say so *pushes shoves reporters from any other country that try go there and find the truth independently*

Propanda is always from both sides, western propaganda is doing way better than Chinese because of English language and their well established global media outlets.

 

[Nilgiri]

It (labels/assumptions given to any other country) means something coming from someone that actually matters.

Numba-wan types are experts and authoritities on CCP bloated repetitive copy paste...that and that only.

Little else. Always has been, always is, always will be.

Then they end up proving the point even more by their total clumsy idiotic chauvinism again and again.

 

[xizhimen]

It (labels/assumptions given to any other country) means something coming from someone that actually matters.

Numba-wan types are experts and authoritities on CCP bloated repetitive copy paste...that and that only.

Little else. Always has been, always is, always will be.

Then they end up proving the point even more by their total clumsy idiotic chauvinism again and again.

A picture is worth a thousand words so I posted more pictures and videos than just ranting repetitive politically charged slogans as you've been doing. and I also suggest people travel to those regions and see thing with their own eyes, many of my videos are travelogues.

 

[Nilgiri]

Its waste of time meeting cherry picked and laundered CGTN and CCTV and "muh travelogues" other alphabet commie acronym "media" with counter-media from Vice, independent journalists, serpentza, ADVchina and other travelogues.

It just comes to which filter is more credible and it speaks volumes when they can't film and cover what goes on inside (or even around) the uighur camps.

Its all time better spent isolating and scouring out CCP "enthusiasts/chauvinists" dumb enough to still speak up in their non-sensical way in way worthier systems (wary to such things), having abused the latter's good faith approach w.r.t immigration from CCP hive-minds being the overall "same" you can expect worldwide.

Everyone's waking up the issue in different ways more and more (helped along by the chauvinists doing their thing unable to see their off-putting nature), and things will be prioritized and dealt with going forward. More than any chauvinist's individual frivolous free time or paid time (50 cent or not).

But in meantime.... it must hurt some chauvinists seeing the posts and likes here, in just this small and new forum (and you know who inevitably showed up there too, obviously super happy at the reality of what people think outside the hive mind...not livid one bit):

China’s Moves Toward Uyghur Families Should Shock Our Consciousness and Spur Action

Imagine not knowing the whereabouts and condition of your parents, children, brothers, sisters. For many Uyghurs abroad, that is the daily reality. “You don’t know how he died; you don’t know when he died. And you can’t even kiss him for one last time.” These are the words of Uyghur poet...

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It just gets worse anywhere (that matters) the larger the social interaction regarding CCP chauvinism.

 

[xizhimen]

Its waste of time meeting cherry picked and laundered CGTN and CCTV and "muh travelogues" other alphabet commie acronym "media" with counter-media from Vice, independent journalists, serpentza, ADVchina and other travelogues.

It just comes to which filter is more credible and it speaks volumes when they can't film and cover what goes on inside (or even around) the uighur camps.

Its all time better spent isolating and scouring out CCP "enthusiasts/chauvinists" dumb enough to still speak up in their non-sensical way in way worthier systems (wary to such things), having abused the latter's good faith approach w.r.t immigration from CCP hive-minds being the overall "same" you can expect worldwide.

Everyone's waking up the issue in different ways more and more (helped along by the chauvinists doing their thing unable to see their off-putting nature), and things will be prioritized and dealt with going forward. More than any chauvinist's individual frivolous free time or paid time (50 cent or not).

But in meantime.... it must hurt some chauvinists seeing the posts and likes here, in just this small and new forum (and you know who inevitably showed up there too, obviously super happy at the reality of what people think outside the hive mind...not livid one bit):

China’s Moves Toward Uyghur Families Should Shock Our Consciousness and Spur Action

Imagine not knowing the whereabouts and condition of your parents, children, brothers, sisters. For many Uyghurs abroad, that is the daily reality. “You don’t know how he died; you don’t know when he died. And you can’t even kiss him for one last time.” These are the words of Uyghur poet...

defencehub.live

It just gets worse anywhere (that matters) the larger the social interaction regarding CCP chauvinism.

It's indeed a waste of time if you always bring CCP to everything related to China, I know western and Indian media are speaking of China like the hell on earth, but what China is really like and what CCP is really doing in China can be better perceived by coming and touring China, that's all I would like to suggest.

 

[xizhimen]

Students from Mongolia study in China's Inner Mongolia for better facilities and education​

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes obviously pushing Mandarin to replace Mongolian in classes (in inner mongolia) was a big transparent vote taken by China at large rather than CCP. The very subject material of the original news video.

But its all little ole me obviously, I made this video for the SCMP lol....bringing the darn CCP into every China topic. Drat that guy!...he's everywhere!

What's left? More REEEEEE!-ing cuz I sez and assert so!

Oh right I've never travelled or toured China (and definitely not squared off against some CCP meatheads there too)....good one. No one's ever had a bad experience (whatever the good experiences were) in super dooper China...its all got to be on one complete black or white page dont ya see.

You can't make this stuff up lmao. It's pretty sad how they perform when there is just one straggler...too used to group heave-ho I suppose.

 

[xizhimen]

Yes obviously pushing Mandarin to replace Mongolian in classes (in inner mongolia) was a big transparent vote taken by China at large rather than CCP. The very subject material of the original news video.

But its all little ole me obviously, I made this video for the SCMP lol....bringing the darn CCP into every China topic. Drat that guy!...he's everywhere!

What's left? More REEEEEE!-ing cuz I sez and assert so!

Oh right I've never travelled or toured China (and definitely not squared off against some CCP meatheads there too)....good one. No one's ever had a bad experience (whatever the good experiences were) in super dooper China...its all got to be on one complete black or white page dont ya see.

You can't make this stuff up lmao. It's pretty sad how they perform when there is just one straggler...too used to group heave-ho I suppose.

The vast majority of the population in Inner Mongolia are Han Chinese, so what's wrong with pushing the national language mandarin there? will anyone raise opposition if US pushes English education in any places in US? Russia pushes russian language education anywhere in Russia?

 

[Nilgiri]

strawman ---> strawman---->strawman = no consolidation, no logical debate...

My own darn fault to get into this time-waste again (I have a 10 person threshold requirement at very minimum to make this worthwhile I said earlier, I should stick to it).

Apparently there are local language classes in the US (say being conducted in Spanish or native american languages) that are now being taken over by English all of a sudden.

What is Ukraine's current reaction to prolonged russification during USSR, it remains a moral and effective policy? Maybe @UkroTurk can fill you in.

Or Russia today continues russification in tatar, siberian etc republics, intervening in russian-only policy (Where local languages allowed till now for classes) and changing earlier policy too?

Or will you come back to the "might = right" argument once more....i.e the japanese were correct to do what they did to China (nanjing etc) as long as they won in the end and established their overriding narrative?

Past that... the whole premise of the moral concept (identity within larger nation) underlying of the news story doesn't even exist apparently...so what's prompting the change if the glorious CCP policy worked fine for last 70 years or so?

Chauvinists literally don't get how own argument undermines earlier argument. Was CCP correct before or now? lol. Please you are putting on quite the show now....this is what blind unthinking might = right basis does. It strips the moral and logical basis bare....just march like a lemming left right left right....wherever the crowds headed....rather than is the direction valid or good?

 

[xizhimen]

Apparently there are local language classes in the US (say being conducted in Spanish or native american languages) that are now being taken over by English all of a sudden.

Although I didn't see any public schools offer those class when I lived and studied in US, but just for the sake of dicussion, we assume there are, but in China we also have private classes for almost all kinds of languages.

And the western media didn't tell the whole story, First the cancellation of some Mongolian language classes information was from some unnamed local low level officials which can not be verified, second the source only said 3 courses would be changed from Mongolian into Mandarin, Politics, History and Chinese, not all the courses.
Last but not least, here is the government offical announcement on this issue on Sept. 4th 2020: The bilingual education won't be changed, the hours of Mongolian teaching in schools will remain unchanged for the coming new shool term.

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就内蒙古自治区现有双语教学体系是否改变，以及是否取消蒙古语文课程两个问题，当局于9月4日表示现有双语教育体系没有改变，与往年相比，将原来小学二年级起开设的《汉语》课程改为从小学一年级起开设国家统编《语文》课程，初中一年级将原来的《汉语》课程改为国家统编《语文》课程。其他学科和其他年级课程设置、使用教材、授课语言文字、蒙古语文和朝鲜语文课时皆不变。三科统编教材全面推开后，民族语言授课中小学其他学科课程设置、使用教材、授课语言文字、蒙古语文及朝鲜语文课时不变。