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[Umigami]

Just curious, technically is it possible to equip NEB-84 bunker buster with AASM Hammer kit and launch it from Rafale?

 

[boredaf]

Just curious, technically is it possible to equip NEB-84 bunker buster with AASM Hammer kit and launch it from Rafale?

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In theory, why not? NEB is based on MK-84 so it could be used. although winged guidance kit would be more cost efficient I think.

 

[Tornadoss]

In theory, why not? NEB is based on MK-84 so it could be used. although winged guidance kit would be more cost efficient I think.

There was a post here, apparently winged kit not suitable for bunker buster as they need to hit fast and gliding decrease the speed.

 

[boredaf]

There was a post here, apparently winged kit not suitable for bunker buster as they need to hit fast and gliding decrease the speed.

I stand corrected then, an active propulsion system would work better.

How about making it detach after a certain point then? Launch it with the wings, at a distance that it can drop by itself to the target, wings detach and let gravity do its thing? Targeting solutions like GPS maybe could be used to program the kit.

 

[Yasar_TR]

stand corrected then, an active propulsion system would work better.

Yes and no!
You were correct in suggesting kgk84 for NEB84 application as Aselsan also does the same in their brochure.
One has to remember that if the bunker to be penetrated is a few feet below surface the MK84 based bunker-buster bomb can do it’s job as it is designed to hit bunker surface, detonate, make a hole, penetrate concrete and detonate secondary explosives to cause maximum damage inside bunker.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/KGK-84_ENG.pdf

But if it is a penetration like our Hayalet is designed to do, and that is being sought after, then it needs to be released higher than 30000ft where air is rarified, gain speed to around 1.3 Mach and penetrate 90metres of earth or 7metres of C50 concrete with 25mm steel reinforcement. (This is what @Tornadoss is remembering)
So, as you rightly pointed out to give it extra range you need active propulsion to keep it at high altitude before a dive.


Edit
Corrected to Hayalet from gazap as pointed out. Thanks @Pokemonte13

 

[Tornadoss]

Yes and no!
You were correct in suggesting kgk84 for NEB84 application as Aselsan also does the same in their brochure.
One has to remember that if the bunker to be penetrated is a few feet below surface the MK84 based bunker-buster bomb can do it’s job as it is designed to hit bunker surface, detonate, make a hole, penetrate concrete and detonate secondary explosives to cause maximum damage inside bunker.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/KGK-84_ENG.pdf

But if it is a penetration like our Hayalet is designed to do that is being sought after, then it needs to be released higher than 30000ft where air is rarified, gain speed to around 1.3 Mach and penetrate 90metres of earth or 7metres of C50 concrete with 25mm steel reinforcement. (This is what @Tornadoss is remembering)
So, as you rightly pointed out to give it extra range you need active propulsion to keep it at high altitude before a dive.

yeah the discussion was about Hayalet, my mistake

 

[Pokemonte13]

Just for your information gazap is not the bunker buster that’s hayalet