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[Umigami]

Just curious, technically is it possible to equip NEB-84 bunker buster with AASM Hammer kit and launch it from Rafale?

 

[boredaf]

Just curious, technically is it possible to equip NEB-84 bunker buster with AASM Hammer kit and launch it from Rafale?

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In theory, why not? NEB is based on MK-84 so it could be used. although winged guidance kit would be more cost efficient I think.

 

[Tornadoss]

In theory, why not? NEB is based on MK-84 so it could be used. although winged guidance kit would be more cost efficient I think.

There was a post here, apparently winged kit not suitable for bunker buster as they need to hit fast and gliding decrease the speed.

 

[boredaf]

There was a post here, apparently winged kit not suitable for bunker buster as they need to hit fast and gliding decrease the speed.

I stand corrected then, an active propulsion system would work better.

How about making it detach after a certain point then? Launch it with the wings, at a distance that it can drop by itself to the target, wings detach and let gravity do its thing? Targeting solutions like GPS maybe could be used to program the kit.

 

[Yasar_TR]

stand corrected then, an active propulsion system would work better.

Yes and no!
You were correct in suggesting kgk84 for NEB84 application as Aselsan also does the same in their brochure.
One has to remember that if the bunker to be penetrated is a few feet below surface the MK84 based bunker-buster bomb can do it’s job as it is designed to hit bunker surface, detonate, make a hole, penetrate concrete and detonate secondary explosives to cause maximum damage inside bunker.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/KGK-84_ENG.pdf

But if it is a penetration like our Hayalet is designed to do, and that is being sought after, then it needs to be released higher than 30000ft where air is rarified, gain speed to around 1.3 Mach and penetrate 90metres of earth or 7metres of C50 concrete with 25mm steel reinforcement. (This is what @Tornadoss is remembering)
So, as you rightly pointed out to give it extra range you need active propulsion to keep it at high altitude before a dive.


Edit
Corrected to Hayalet from gazap as pointed out. Thanks @Pokemonte13

 

[Tornadoss]

Yes and no!
You were correct in suggesting kgk84 for NEB84 application as Aselsan also does the same in their brochure.
One has to remember that if the bunker to be penetrated is a few feet below surface the MK84 based bunker-buster bomb can do it’s job as it is designed to hit bunker surface, detonate, make a hole, penetrate concrete and detonate secondary explosives to cause maximum damage inside bunker.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/KGK-84_ENG.pdf

But if it is a penetration like our Hayalet is designed to do that is being sought after, then it needs to be released higher than 30000ft where air is rarified, gain speed to around 1.3 Mach and penetrate 90metres of earth or 7metres of C50 concrete with 25mm steel reinforcement. (This is what @Tornadoss is remembering)
So, as you rightly pointed out to give it extra range you need active propulsion to keep it at high altitude before a dive.

yeah the discussion was about Hayalet, my mistake

 

[Pokemonte13]

Just for your information gazap is not the bunker buster that’s hayalet

 

[Sanchez]

Very interesting, FNSS also signed a MoU with Cockerill and 2 Spanish companies, TSD and Oesia to present a design for the same program.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922544082473095674

Alpha 6x6 for Spanish needs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1962907523112989111

 

[UkroTurk]

Amunagodumun fetöcüleri

FETÖ’cülerle irtibat, TÜBİTAK’tan sızdırılan belgeler: ASSAN Group’un sahibi Öner’in sevk yazısının detayları ortaya çıktı!

FETÖ ile irtibatlı oldukları ve askeri casusluk faaliyeti gerçekleştirdikleri gerekçesiyle gözaltına alınan ASSAN Group ismi altında faaliyet gösteren şirket sahibi Emin Öner ile şirket genel müdürü Gürcan Okumuş, tutuklanırken, Emin Öner hakkında hazırlanan sevk yazısının detaylarına ulaşıldı....

www.sabah.com.tr

Detained on suspicion of having ties to FETÖ and engaging in military espionage, Emin Öner, the owner of a company operating under the name ASSAN Group, and the company's general manager, Gürcan Okumuş, were arrested. Details of a referral letter prepared for Emin Öner were obtained. It was revealed that Öner had phone and money transfers with individuals affiliated with FETÖ, and that Gürcan Okumuş transferred to ASSAN after six years as director of the TÜBİTAK SAGE Institute, a state-owned defense industry institution, and leaked documents and information to Emin Öner.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Alpha 6x6 for Spanish needs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1962907523112989111

Looks like pars scout is on the production line

 

[Sanchez]

Looks like pars scout is on the production line

Those same vehicles are in production line for the last 2-3 years, still waiting for their engines. Another KKK development failure.

 

[Saithan]

Amunagodumun fetöcüleri

FETÖ’cülerle irtibat, TÜBİTAK’tan sızdırılan belgeler: ASSAN Group’un sahibi Öner’in sevk yazısının detayları ortaya çıktı!

FETÖ ile irtibatlı oldukları ve askeri casusluk faaliyeti gerçekleştirdikleri gerekçesiyle gözaltına alınan ASSAN Group ismi altında faaliyet gösteren şirket sahibi Emin Öner ile şirket genel müdürü Gürcan Okumuş, tutuklanırken, Emin Öner hakkında hazırlanan sevk yazısının detaylarına ulaşıldı....

www.sabah.com.tr

Detained on suspicion of having ties to FETÖ and engaging in military espionage, Emin Öner, the owner of a company operating under the name ASSAN Group, and the company's general manager, Gürcan Okumuş, were arrested. Details of a referral letter prepared for Emin Öner were obtained. It was revealed that Öner had phone and money transfers with individuals affiliated with FETÖ, and that Gürcan Okumuş transferred to ASSAN after six years as director of the TÜBİTAK SAGE Institute, a state-owned defense industry institution, and leaked documents and information to Emin Öner.

I would wait it out, and don't believe in everything you read. ASSAN group was building and expanding and contributing to TSK. The issue I have is if they build production outside of T.C. and who they're cooperating with. I would also research for possible espionage.

Changing companies isn't illegal, as long as you don't do espionage. Which is going to be difficult, depending on who has what interest.

I imagine in worst case ASSAN production becomes MKE new production facility, or ends up in the hands of one of AKP cronies.