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[Angry Turk !!!]

Well, things are relative, Maybe if we had a capable administration in the last 20 years, it would now be way better. It is really a question of how much impact the league we are in having to achieve our goals. Are we able to impose our will in Mavi Vatan? How about Syria? So we are still ineffective. It is always too little, and too late….

I think Türkiye is overall spreading too thin, we're in too many other countries problems involved. If these fuckers want to kill each other, why give a shit. I couldn't care less about anyone who isn't a Turk nation or very close at least.

First of all, we are not a Superpower. We do not have the population, economy or the technology for that. So, instead of trying to stick our nose in every fucking problem of other countries who are failed nations anyway, focus on the problems inside and in front of us.

That will benefit the Country more.

 

[AlperTunga]

After the mistake during Arab Spring in Syria, now it is difficult not to get involved there. But I agree with you in a sense. We should have pushed for technological advancement, military independence, and trade relations with other countries. We should have never been vocal about neo ottomanism, Blue Land doctrine, not follow an islamist agenda, not threaten Europe, and Israel. In Gazza we should have only highlighted humanitary aspect and never support Hamas. In such a scenario, we would have all the weapons we want from US and we would easily have per capita GNP 30000$ now. US and Europe would be using us as a partial China replacement to produce goods and even weapons for them. Of course, to get real rich we need to increase our sphere of influence but we could have done this in a low key manner. Gradually, though they would have accepted us as another main power. Just like they had to accept China.

 

[AlperTunga]

Indeed, our early involvement in Libya, Syria, Somalie etc. did not bring any benefit to us. In Libya we were not strong enough to push back Russia and Egypt, in Somalia we are fighting with UAE. We should get involved in such places if we are strong enough and then push to the very end and not be satisfied with half done things. That is, once we get in, even Russia should know, ok that place is now gone.

 

[Lool]

Nothing will happen, not until Erdogan is removed.

It's been 5 years since an operation in Syria. All bark no bite, a humiliation ritual at this point.

This isnt an Erdogan problem; it is a US problem
The SDF is hiding behind the US and it was Trump who stopped Erdogan from continuing his Syria offensive post-Idlib after 24/7 nagging from jewish and kurdish lobbies and even both Trump and Erdogan admitted that
The kurdish lobby are literally living in the pentagon and congress at this point to prevent any possible dissociation between the kurds and the US

It doesnt matter who rules Turkey since as long as they remain afraid of the US; they will never ever defeat the kurdsish radicals. That is why I said that Turkey should declare war and win it even if turned out to be bloody since whatever Turkey will pay rn will be 100 times less than what will Turkey pay in the future if the SDF gets a state

 

[Lool]

Indeed, our early involvement in Libya, Syria, Somalie etc. did not bring any benefit to us. In Libya we were not strong enough to push back Russia and Egypt, in Somalia we are fighting with UAE. We should get involved in such places if we are strong enough and then push to the very end and not be satisfied with half done things. That is, once we get in, even Russia should know, ok that place is now gone.

If Turkey didnt intervene in Libya and Haftar won all of the country; then Turkish claims in the Mediterranean would have been all lost

Bro, Turkey alone supported that the GNA while Haftar had the support of Italy, France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Russia; yet, Turkey not only managed to destroy Haftar's forces near the capital but also was close to destroy central Libya and take it to itself if Russia didnt threaten Turkey with stopping gas supplies

In Syria, Turkey should have entered long ago tbh. If Turkey havent entered in 2017, then the SDF would have owned Turkey by the balls through a series of tunnels spanning the whole Turkish/Syria border into kurdish-held areas in Turkey. If you think there are no consequences to such an action then you know nothing about geopolitics. Just look at the tunnels in Manbij and Tel Rifat and you will understand what kind of threat they are

Finally, you need to understand that Turkey entered such nations out of necessity! It isnt because Turkey entered earlier than it should but they didnt have any other choice but to enter otherwise Turkey would have fallen. In other words, Turkey's enemies are acting now because they know that in 7 years time, Turkey will be too big to contain; thus, they are sowing chaos now while Turkey is still developing and Turkey has no choice but to enter with whatever arsenal it has and salvage what it can

 

[AlperTunga]

Turkey's enemies are acting now because we have provoked them unnecessarily. If we didn't say "one minute" to that country and didn't buy S400 we might have 80 F35 by now. And if we were clever enough, we would have modernized our F16 fleet by now as well. At the end of the day, if we aspire to be a regional power, we need to invest for that. This cannot be achieved by spending 2% of your GNP. That should be clear to everyone. We should just have silently built a mighty army and then at the right time "come suddenly one night"! We have done exactly the opposite so far. We begged, we barked, we complained, we whined....It is pathetic really.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Turkey's enemies are acting now because we have provoked them unnecessarily. If we didn't say "one minute" to that country and didn't buy S400 we might have 80 F35 by now. And if we were clever enough, we would have modernized our F16 fleet by now as well. At the end of the day, if we aspire to be a regional power, we need to invest for that. This cannot be achieved by spending 2% of your GNP. That should be clear to everyone. We should just have silently built a mighty army and then at the right time "come suddenly one night"! We have done exactly the opposite so far. We begged, we barked, we complained, we whined....It is pathetic really.

s400 was probably the worst decision made by the government as the only positive aspect was getting data on russias most capable ad system other then that just downsides high cost, not operational, caatsa, no f35 participation. F16 modernization was always going to take time. After 2019 the extent of the modernization was expanded to a full 4.5 gen fighter we needed time to develop our own systems.

 

[Lool]

Turkey's enemies are acting now because we have provoked them unnecessarily. If we didn't say "one minute" to that country and didn't buy S400 we might have 80 F35 by now. And if we were clever enough, we would have modernized our F16 fleet by now as well. At the end of the day, if we aspire to be a regional power, we need to invest for that. This cannot be achieved by spending 2% of your GNP. That should be clear to everyone. We should just have silently built a mighty army and then at the right time "come suddenly one night"! We have done exactly the opposite so far. We begged, we barked, we complained, we whined....It is pathetic really.

🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when they announced the formation of the PKK back in the 1990s?
🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when the PKK announced that they want a semi-autonomous region in Turkey during 2006-2016
🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when they were sending terrorists with explosives to kill Turkish civilians?
🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when they started aiding the PKK back in the 1990s?
🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when Greece unilaterally announced full maximalist demands in the Mediterranean sea that will steal nearly 90% of Turkish EEZ?
🔺️Did you provoke your enemy when Greece plotted a rebellion in Cyprus that caused the death of tens of thousands of Turkish Cyrpiots out of nowhere?


The game has been started way before the 2000s mate. All of it is done towards one goal; i-e, conquer Syria, Iraq, as well as Turkey. How do they do that? Radicalise minorities, support rebeliions, break the large nation into several smaller ones that are engulfed in a never-ending warfare that slowly weakens them until the time is ripe for certain filthy nations to go in and occupy such lands

Mark my words, the current Zionist plan is to divide Syria into 5 states, Turkey into 3-4 states, and Iraq into 3 states.
In Turkey's case, Kurds will get their own state derived from Turkish lands, Greece will probably take Istanbul and its surroundings along with Izmir etc while the Turks will be exiled to a small region in the black sea just like when the Ottoman empire just fell.

This is what they want; just read Israeli media and see how they always talk about how to divide Turkey up. It may seem nothing more than propaganda at first but if you look closer, you will find that this plan has been in the making for a long long time

 

[AlperTunga]

Our enemies indeed dont need any provocation to be our enemies But still, if we had continued with drills in East Med or escalated the rhetoric against Greece, Germany would probably not have approved EF sales to Turkey. And indeed US was supporting PKK all along but still F35s were almost on their way to Turkey. Remember we were producing some parts of it as well. Also, I dont think there were so many negative news on Turkey in Israeli media 15 years back. So if we were more careful with our rhetoric and actions, we would most probably not have CAATSA sanctions and more modern air force today. But yes Greece would still be the same and US would still support PKK and Russia would be our rival in Libya. But with a difference. When Turkey now says, ok enough of this. Then Israel would see an air force with 80 F35 and if we were clever enough to backup also with fully upgraded F16s. Similarly, Russia would think twice how much to oppose us in Libya. I hope it is clear what I mean. We should be cunning, and diskret and exploit West as much as possible. But we should also know when to say no and strike back. But only if we are strong enough and can follow up on our word. What we should not be doing: threatening constantly, whining, complaining, supporting political Islam: they have an allergy for that! So do pray five times a day you gain my respect but please dont boast about it dont impose it to others dont use it for politics dont mix it for government affairs etc. They will still not like Turks but I am sure we will be much better off.

 

[GoatsMilk]

PKK putting on a performance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1980770875595968512

 

[Iskander]

PKK putting on a performance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1980770875595968512

What's so interesting about this?
A completely uninteresting performance.
The ladies throw off their black shawls, revealing evening gowns.
There aren't even suicide belts.
What kind of ladies would they be without Kalashnikov assault rifles!
No, it's not interesting

 

[GoatsMilk]

What's so interesting about this?
A completely uninteresting performance.
The ladies throw off their black shawls, revealing evening gowns.
There aren't even suicide belts.
What kind of ladies would they be without Kalashnikov assault rifles!
No, it's not interesting

I thought the political islamists within Turkiye who have been the PKK's biggest cheerleaders should see it. If the PKK had their way islam would be banned. And just like the palestinians today realise how good Ottoman rule is, the Muslims would also soon realise how good Ataturks secular republic was to them.

 

[Lool]

Give them 30-40 more years and those terrorists will swallow Turkey whole
It isnt about weapons amd technology but the Zionist ideological brainwashing that will cause Turkey, Iraq, and Syria to collapse from within.
Yet, Turkey is still watching and talking about filthy peace with terrorists

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1981391496289910799

 

[Barry]

What you can't see is the female genital mutilation

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Give them 30-40 more years and those terrorists will swallow Turkey whole
It isnt about weapons amd technology but the Zionist ideological brainwashing that will cause Turkey, Iraq, and Syria to collapse from within.
Yet, Turkey is still watching and talking about filthy peace with terrorists

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1981391496289910799

Let them cosplay all they want. Not happening.

 

[Lool]

Let them cosplay all they want. Not happening.

Bro what are you talking about
You dont know how much Turkey is losing diplomatically in Syria rn from the PKK; Turkey is losing diplomatically to mere terrorists
Forget even an operation since that wont happen anymore. Turkey might be forced to leave Syria for good

Till this day, I still cant believe that Apo's wet dream of kurdistan with Hasakeh as its capital, whom many criticised as nothing more than foolishness, is happening right before our eyes while Turkey is just getting kicked right and left not only in Syria but in other states as well

 

[contricusc]

If Turkey didnt intervene in Libya and Haftar won all of the country; then Turkish claims in the Mediterranean would have been all lost

The Turkish claims in the Mediterranean will not materialize to anything, regardless of who rules Libya. Getting involved in Libya is a waste of resources, as everyone who got involved there discovered.

Bro, Turkey alone supported that the GNA while Haftar had the support of Italy, France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Russia; yet, Turkey not only managed to destroy Haftar's forces near the capital but also was close to destroy central Libya and take it to itself if Russia didnt threaten Turkey with stopping gas supplies

Italy never supported Haftar. It was more in favor of the GNA actually.

 

[Lool]

Latest news/rumors in Syria (do take it with a grain of salt as many are, at the end, just rumors)

🔺️Pro-PKK media reports that within the last 5 days, several US cargo planes landed in Hasakah Air base to provide AD systems, drones, EW suites, as well as armored vehicles to the SDF. Moreover, they also stated that the US is in discussions with the SDF to aid in the establishment of a proper airforce that includes actual proper fighter jets. This rumor is further verified through the fact that US trainer planes were observed in Hasakah airbase for the first time 2 weeks ago

🔺️Pro Govt-sources report that the SDF has sent the HTS govt a list of soldiers that will be incorporated into the 3 brigades to be made for the SDF on the condition that no other forces, even the Syrian army itself, enter Northern Syria as well as the right to refuse any deployment orders that include moving those brigades outside Northern Syria. Moreover, some unverified sources, state that this is the only possible deal that the SDF will agree on and no more compromises will be made.

🔺️On the other side, some unverified Israeli sources are reporting that Israel is finalising its plans to annex all the lands from the Golan till Suwaydah province in case the HTS carries out an attack against the SDF; i-e, will use the war as an excuse to delve deeper into Syria. They reportedly finished population surveys of the syrians living in the area and prepared plans for deportation of such citizens etc

Still cant believe how ~20 million kurds can screw over 3 whole nations when they dont even constitute 20% of the total population

 

[GoatsMilk]

Latest news/rumors in Syria (do take it with a grain of salt as many are, at the end, just rumors)

🔺️Pro-PKK media reports that within the last 5 days, several US cargo planes landed in Hasakah Air base to provide AD systems, drones, EW suites, as well as armored vehicles to the SDF. Moreover, they also stated that the US is in discussions with the SDF to aid in the establishment of a proper airforce that includes actual proper fighter jets. This rumor is further verified through the fact that US trainer planes were observed in Hasakah airbase for the first time 2 weeks ago

🔺️Pro Govt-sources report that the SDF has sent the HTS govt a list of soldiers that will be incorporated into the 3 brigades to be made for the SDF on the condition that no other forces, even the Syrian army itself, enter Northern Syria as well as the right to refuse any deployment orders that include moving those brigades outside Northern Syria. Moreover, some unverified sources, state that this is the only possible deal that the SDF will agree on and no more compromises will be made.

🔺️On the other side, some unverified Israeli sources are reporting that Israel is finalising its plans to annex all the lands from the Golan till Suwaydah province in case the HTS carries out an attack against the SDF; i-e, will use the war as an excuse to delve deeper into Syria. They reportedly finished population surveys of the syrians living in the area and prepared plans for deportation of such citizens etc

Still cant believe how ~20 million kurds can screw over 3 whole nations when they dont even constitute 20% of the total population

Doesn't take a genius to see that the Kurds will be exceptional cannon fodder for the Isreali project in the region. I visit Turkiye regularly, the Kurds have absolutely flooded the western parts of Turkiye, they don't move to northern iraq, they move to istanbul, antalya, ankara, everywhere there is Turks they seem to gravitate towards. Same thing happened in London, they moved where the Turkish Cypriots were. They were welcomed by the Cypriot Turks and helped as brothers from Turkiye and once they got a footing they openly become anti-Turkish and openly pro pkk. I'm white enough to pass as a British tourist and when visiting Turkiye they openly talk to me about how much they hate Turks and Turkiye. How much they love the British/Americans because they all know that the kurdistan project is what the west wants for the region. They feel empowered and hopeful in the future that Turkiye will be greatly harmed so that an Isreali puppet state can be formed. Palestinians are learning that lesson well today.

On the flip side many ethnic Turks also think im a British tourist and I've never ever heard even once anything against the Kurdish people. Even when we talk regional politics and they know the British are responsible for many crimes in the region they will never say anything hostile towards me out of respect. Even when they know that the British media attacks Turkiye and Turkish people daily, they've never said anything negative to me.

So when that isreali media politician started smiling when he talked about their being 3 million kurds in istanbul alone, they know what they are doing. Any potential attack on Turkiye in the future and its very possible that you will thousands of pkk/kurdistani types operating from within. You have to wonder how many domestic assets mossad, cia, mi5 have cultivated over the decades within Turkiye. Forget about feto controlling the big boys, what about the common pkk supporters on the ground who live among the common Turkish people.