corsair255
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You habe to star from somewhere with this limited resources,Exactlly. When there is planes on it. Then it becomes useful. Otherwise cheaper 2 x Bayraktar class LST’s could do the same job.
To have a carrier group you need at least something like this :
2 x f2000 air defence destroyers , 2 x f4500 class frigates. 2 x Reis class submarines And replenishment ships.
This ship is not really made for ocean going missions where heavy seas are prevalent (unless they have changed the design in the last year). Our Gabya class , even the small Burak class are more suitable. That is why you need a 4500 ton frigate for a carrier group.
I-Class is really for the Aegean and calmer parts of the Mediterranean.
@UkroTurk has suggested something great! The Japanese example! Turn this ship into a guided missile destroyer!
Look in long terms projection, navy assets have about 50 years life spans, there will be lot of adjustments and realigmemts along the way, what is important that you continously imcrease capabilites, correct me if am wrong but only 20 years ago turkish navy did not have much capabilities beyonn more or less litorial waters, so i see all this as huge progres.Exactlly. When there is planes on it. Then it becomes useful. Otherwise cheaper 2 x Bayraktar class LST’s could do the same job.
To have a carrier group you need at least something like this :
2 x f2000 air defence destroyers , 2 x f4500 class frigates. 2 x Reis class submarines And replenishment ships.
This ship is not really made for ocean going missions where heavy seas are prevalent (unless they have changed the design in the last year). Our Gabya class , even the small Burak class are more suitable. That is why you need a 4500 ton frigate for a carrier group.
I-Class is really for the Aegean and calmer parts of the Mediterranean.
@UkroTurk has suggested something great! The Japanese example! Turn this ship into a guided missile destroyer!
Exactlly. When there is planes on it. Then it becomes useful. Otherwise cheaper 2 x Bayraktar class LST’s could do the same job.
To have a carrier group you need at least something like this :
2 x f2000 air defence destroyers , 2 x f4500 class frigates. 2 x Reis class submarines And replenishment ships.
This ship is not really made for ocean going missions where heavy seas are prevalent (unless they have changed the design in the last year). Our Gabya class , even the small Burak class are more suitable. That is why you need a 4500 ton frigate for a carrier group.
I-Class is really for the Aegean and calmer parts of the Mediterranean.
@UkroTurk has suggested something great! The Japanese example! Turn this ship into a guided missile destroyer!
It's quite speculative, but some tactical length missile types from Aster family (like Aster-15 for creating an alternative to ESSM) can be certified for MIDLAS. It may be a MIDLAS development strategy that will include not only within the Turkish navy but also wider and potential markets. Did not attract attention much due to heavy agenda, but the entire national press reported yesterday that joint product development and production pre-work continues with eurosam:View attachment 12719
The brochure says MIDLAS was developed. Naval domestic missiles that MIDLAS VLS (In different length variants) will fire in following years;
- Naval Hisar-A+,O+, Rf missiles
- Quad pack G40 missiles and further variants
- Turkish C-Dome equivalent close range C-RAM missile for point defence
- Siper long range missiles and future variants
- HALR high altitude long range missile program (most likely exo-atmospheric missile)
- Gezgin land attack cruise missiles (1000+km)
I think Aselsan's next step from Gökdeniz will be a modern close-in weapon equivalent to the Phalanx that will be developed over the barreled Golden Case C-RAM.
It's quite speculative, but some tactical length missile types from Aster family (like Aster-15 for creating an alternative to ESSM) can be certified for MIDLAS. It may be a MIDLAS development strategy that will include not only within the Turkish navy but also wider and potential markets. Did not attract attention much due to heavy agenda, but the entire national press reported yesterday that joint product development and production pre-work continues with eurosam:
SON DAKİKA | Hava savunma sistemlerinde yeni süreç! Geri adım atıldı
Gelen son dakika haberine göre; hava savunma sistemi tedarik etmek için önce müttefiklere başvuran, olumlu sonuç alamayınca Rusya'dan S-400 sistemleri satın alma yoluna giden Türkiye, hava savunma sistemi ihtiyacını karşılamak için yerli üretim çalışmalarının yanında diğer üretici ülkelerle de...www.milliyet.com.tr
It may also be possible for some Chinese missiles to be certified because of PN-Milgems will use these VLS and Advent SMS.
I think that Aselsan will develop a more effective CIWS from Gökdeniz by making changes not only in the ammunition but also in the barrel system. It is a multi-barrel system in which the reaction speed will increase. Golden Case can offer two different options, both a missile and a barreled system.Golden Cage C-Ram concept will contain combined forces of C-Ram Korkut system with more advanced ATOM munitions with enhanced quantity of sub-projectiles and C-RAM missile that is in development phase at present. Later, the laser guns will be integrated into this protection shield.
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Gökdeniz 35mm with ATOM ammunition is more effective than Phalanx..Rate of fire is good...We don't need multi barrel.I think that Aselsan will develop a more effective CIWS from Gökdeniz by making changes not only in the ammunition but also in the barrel system. It is a multi-barrel system in which the reaction speed will increase. Golden Case can offer two different options, both a missile and a barreled system.
i would also choose accuracy over fire rate,, as supersonic antitank missiles comes, you got only 3-4 seconds with Gokdeniz to shoot them down, so i would rather have the system i trust intead of hope to shootGökdeniz 35mm with ATOM ammunition is more effective than Phalanx..Rate of fire is good...We don't need multi barrel.
Is the reaction time and the number of rounds fired per minute unimportant? Choosing Gökdeniz instead of Phalanx is a decision taken after CAATSA sanctions. Gökdeniz and Phalanx are not in the same class, but Gökdeniz is a step towards a system like Phalanx.Gökdeniz 35mm with ATOM ammunition is more effective than Phalanx..Rate of fire is good...We don't need multi barrel.
ill tell the main difference,Is the reaction time and the number of rounds fired per minute unimportant? Choosing Gökdeniz instead of Phalanx is a decision taken after CAATSA sanctions. Gökdeniz and Phalanx are not in the same class, but Gökdeniz is a step towards a system like Phalanx.
Explain? Siper? G40?
Lets see the broad bean hidden in your mouth?