TR Naval Programs

[corsair255]

From a different point of view...
Enjoy.

 

[mulj]

Exactlly. When there is planes on it. Then it becomes useful. Otherwise cheaper 2 x Bayraktar class LST’s could do the same job.

To have a carrier group you need at least something like this :
2 x f2000 air defence destroyers , 2 x f4500 class frigates. 2 x Reis class submarines And replenishment ships.
This ship is not really made for ocean going missions where heavy seas are prevalent (unless they have changed the design in the last year). Our Gabya class , even the small Burak class are more suitable. That is why you need a 4500 ton frigate for a carrier group.
I-Class is really for the Aegean and calmer parts of the Mediterranean.

@UkroTurk has suggested something great! The Japanese example! Turn this ship into a guided missile destroyer!

You habe to star from somewhere with this limited resources,

Exactlly. When there is planes on it. Then it becomes useful. Otherwise cheaper 2 x Bayraktar class LST’s could do the same job.

To have a carrier group you need at least something like this :
2 x f2000 air defence destroyers , 2 x f4500 class frigates. 2 x Reis class submarines And replenishment ships.
This ship is not really made for ocean going missions where heavy seas are prevalent (unless they have changed the design in the last year). Our Gabya class , even the small Burak class are more suitable. That is why you need a 4500 ton frigate for a carrier group.
I-Class is really for the Aegean and calmer parts of the Mediterranean.

@UkroTurk has suggested something great! The Japanese example! Turn this ship into a guided missile destroyer!

Look in long terms projection, navy assets have about 50 years life spans, there will be lot of adjustments and realigmemts along the way, what is important that you continously imcrease capabilites, correct me if am wrong but only 20 years ago turkish navy did not have much capabilities beyonn more or less litorial waters, so i see all this as huge progres.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Exactlly. When there is planes on it. Then it becomes useful. Otherwise cheaper 2 x Bayraktar class LST’s could do the same job.

To have a carrier group you need at least something like this :
2 x f2000 air defence destroyers , 2 x f4500 class frigates. 2 x Reis class submarines And replenishment ships.
This ship is not really made for ocean going missions where heavy seas are prevalent (unless they have changed the design in the last year). Our Gabya class , even the small Burak class are more suitable. That is why you need a 4500 ton frigate for a carrier group.
I-Class is really for the Aegean and calmer parts of the Mediterranean.

@UkroTurk has suggested something great! The Japanese example! Turn this ship into a guided missile destroyer!

Turkish industry has come to the maturity level to form a carrier group. Naval programs will remain dominant part of the programs in 2030's and this industry will reveal own destroyers and submarines as well. This matter was highlighted by Mr. Ismail Demir in a reportage and He had also underlined the importance the ability of protecting the aircraft carriers against targets coming from all directions and he stated that Turkish AC will be protected by national assets.

Tf-2000 will be a swimming radar and missile base and 4 Tf2000 will be able to cover (radar coverage) almost all Turkish seas simultaneously. Two ships will be able to fire the missiles that will be more than the total number of Greek low, medum and long range ready-fire missile arsenal and Turkey is planning to construct 7 of them. Some of these ships will be paired for carrier protection force. Same for Milden submarines that will have way superior capabilities than anything neighbours have in their arsenal and most important part of these programs are that these are our own programs and Noone will have a saying about them. We can construct as much as we want and we can charge them wherever we want and we can integrate them whatever we want.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

The brochure says MIDLAS was developed. Naval domestic missiles that MIDLAS VLS (In different length variants) will fire in following years;

• Naval Hisar-A+,O+, Rf missiles
• Quad pack G40 missiles and further variants
• Turkish C-Dome equivalent close range C-RAM missile for point defence
• Siper long range missiles and future variants
• HALR high altitude long range missile program (most likely exo-atmospheric missile)
• Gezgin land attack cruise missiles (1000+km)

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1353030563515559936

HAVELSAN technologies that will take part in the TCG Istanbul Frigate F-515, one of the symbols of our dominance in the seas:

• Network Supported Combat Management System (ADVENT) developed in cooperation with HAVELSAN and ARMERKOM
• The Ship Data Distribution System (GVDS), the unique product of HAVELSAN

 

[dBSPL]

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The brochure says MIDLAS was developed. Naval domestic missiles that MIDLAS VLS (In different length variants) will fire in following years;

• Naval Hisar-A+,O+, Rf missiles
• Quad pack G40 missiles and further variants
• Turkish C-Dome equivalent close range C-RAM missile for point defence
• Siper long range missiles and future variants
• HALR high altitude long range missile program (most likely exo-atmospheric missile)
• Gezgin land attack cruise missiles (1000+km)

It's quite speculative, but some tactical length missile types from Aster family (like Aster-15 for creating an alternative to ESSM) can be certified for MIDLAS. It may be a MIDLAS development strategy that will include not only within the Turkish navy but also wider and potential markets. Did not attract attention much due to heavy agenda, but the entire national press reported yesterday that joint product development and production pre-work continues with eurosam:

SON DAKİKA | Hava savunma sistemlerinde yeni süreç! Geri adım atıldı

Gelen son dakika haberine göre; hava savunma sistemi tedarik etmek için önce müttefiklere başvuran, olumlu sonuç alamayınca Rusya'dan S-400 sistemleri satın alma yoluna giden Türkiye, hava savunma sistemi ihtiyacını karşılamak için yerli üretim çalışmalarının yanında diğer üretici ülkelerle de...

www.milliyet.com.tr

It may also be possible for some Chinese missiles to be certified because of PN-Milgems will use these VLS and Advent SMS.

 

[Balamir]

I think Aselsan's next step from Gökdeniz will be a modern close-in weapon equivalent to the Phalanx that will be developed over the barreled Golden Case C-RAM.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I think Aselsan's next step from Gökdeniz will be a modern close-in weapon equivalent to the Phalanx that will be developed over the barreled Golden Case C-RAM.

Golden Cage C-Ram concept will contain combined forces of C-Ram Korkut system with more advanced ATOM munitions with enhanced quantity of sub-projectiles and C-RAM missile that is in development phase at present. Later, the laser guns will be integrated into this protection shield.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

It's quite speculative, but some tactical length missile types from Aster family (like Aster-15 for creating an alternative to ESSM) can be certified for MIDLAS. It may be a MIDLAS development strategy that will include not only within the Turkish navy but also wider and potential markets. Did not attract attention much due to heavy agenda, but the entire national press reported yesterday that joint product development and production pre-work continues with eurosam:

SON DAKİKA | Hava savunma sistemlerinde yeni süreç! Geri adım atıldı

Gelen son dakika haberine göre; hava savunma sistemi tedarik etmek için önce müttefiklere başvuran, olumlu sonuç alamayınca Rusya'dan S-400 sistemleri satın alma yoluna giden Türkiye, hava savunma sistemi ihtiyacını karşılamak için yerli üretim çalışmalarının yanında diğer üretici ülkelerle de...

www.milliyet.com.tr

It may also be possible for some Chinese missiles to be certified because of PN-Milgems will use these VLS and Advent SMS.

It would be a good win-win strategy for our industry but I have some suspects about decision of French authority. I think The negotiations with French officials are about procurement of Aster Block1NT missiles and joining into development of Aster Blk2 missiles. The feasibility studies was done to determine the requirements of likely partners for phase-2 and What Turkey need was to develop an anti-ballistic missile defence missile at GUMS missile development program but French authority froze the negotiations and the partnership deal couldn't pass the phase-2 yet. The request of Turkish side that source mentioned must be about this process.

 

[Balamir]

Golden Cage C-Ram concept will contain combined forces of C-Ram Korkut system with more advanced ATOM munitions with enhanced quantity of sub-projectiles and C-RAM missile that is in development phase at present. Later, the laser guns will be integrated into this protection shield.

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I think that Aselsan will develop a more effective CIWS from Gökdeniz by making changes not only in the ammunition but also in the barrel system. It is a multi-barrel system in which the reaction speed will increase. Golden Case can offer two different options, both a missile and a barreled system.

 

[chngr]

I think that Aselsan will develop a more effective CIWS from Gökdeniz by making changes not only in the ammunition but also in the barrel system. It is a multi-barrel system in which the reaction speed will increase. Golden Case can offer two different options, both a missile and a barreled system.

Gökdeniz 35mm with ATOM ammunition is more effective than Phalanx..Rate of fire is good...We don't need multi barrel.

 

[AzeriTank]

Gökdeniz 35mm with ATOM ammunition is more effective than Phalanx..Rate of fire is good...We don't need multi barrel.

i would also choose accuracy over fire rate,, as supersonic antitank missiles comes, you got only 3-4 seconds with Gokdeniz to shoot them down, so i would rather have the system i trust intead of hope to shoot

 

[Balamir]

Gökdeniz 35mm with ATOM ammunition is more effective than Phalanx..Rate of fire is good...We don't need multi barrel.

Is the reaction time and the number of rounds fired per minute unimportant? Choosing Gökdeniz instead of Phalanx is a decision taken after CAATSA sanctions. Gökdeniz and Phalanx are not in the same class, but Gökdeniz is a step towards a system like Phalanx.

 

[AzeriTank]

Is the reaction time and the number of rounds fired per minute unimportant? Choosing Gökdeniz instead of Phalanx is a decision taken after CAATSA sanctions. Gökdeniz and Phalanx are not in the same class, but Gökdeniz is a step towards a system like Phalanx.

ill tell the main difference,
1) Gokdeniz able to fire 4km but phalanx 2km,
2) gokdeniz is good against anti air targets, drones and so on, but only thing gokdeniz is not good is against Indian Russian supersonic missile. as those missiles has no wing, even if you hit them with some airburst, its not enough to shoot them down. but Phalans is good as it can go throught it with its 20mm psecial ammunition..
however, Gokdeniz could be armed with those special bullets for one of its turret for special occasions or when the radar see that its coming, they would have 30-40 seconds to reload those.

 

[Huelague]

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Explain? Siper? G40?

 

[Hexciter]

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Lets see the broad bean hidden in your mouth?

 

[Oublious]

 

[corsair255]

From another angle;

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1353151379897020417

 

[AzeriTank]

We also know that Turkey is working on NSM type of missile and TJ300 engine was specifically designed for that reason.. especially those Turkish fast boats and helicopters will be armed with it.. i now that many here said penguin type of missile, but that's old design, big wings, no stealth. NSM is the way to go.. thanks to its small size, it will be super hard to be detected...
NSM use TRI-40 engine thats expensive, but imagine getting same type of missile with 3D printing means you are able to make hundreds of them in case of need.. what do you think?

 

[Reviewbrah]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1020010030349869056

Özden Örnek (1943-2018), one of the most important names of the Milgem project. All of his life, he had to deal with fake plots against him to stop his work. They did it until he became sick physically. Without him Milgem project wouldn't be possible.