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Rustom-1 has similar specs to Bayraktar TB-2 yet Indian Airforce doesn’t want it because they love imported items, I don’t understand what is their UCAV doctrine. If they consider expensive MQ-9 like drones as their doctrine then they should buy them up in huge numbers else buy domestic Rustom-1 UCAV for use in low intensity fights and conflicts like the ones in Naxal terrorism zones. They should remain in fear that a NAG missile can pop their heads up anytime from the sky.
Even parrot Anafi thermal might have served the purpose to scan the area, but it was an ambush, and forces were lured by false information I am saying it again their intelligence network is well oiled and out maneuvered CRPF.

 
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Rustom-1 is a UAV and not an UCAV. It is developed for surveillance and reconnaissance ops.
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Chhattisgarh Maoist attack: A Sikh CRPF trooper took off his turban to tie it around the wounds of a fellow jawan, even as both were caught in the deadly encounter along the border of the Sukma and Bijapur districts.

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I think we should used the same pakistani strategy of carpet bombing these schmucks disregarding collateral damage...use em Apaches, Rudras and LCHs
Nobody is stopping you. After all there is nothing but jungles so asides from few dead elephants what collateral damage will?

What seems interesting is that you lose far soldiers in jungles of India then you do in Kashmir. However the latter get's all the attention. 20,000 had died to Naxal terrorism upto 2017
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Members are advised that posting footage/propaganda as long as it meets the rules is fine.

But twitter handle that calls these terrorists as "Freedom fighters" breaks the forum rules.

Using "freedom fighter" to all the various ABC/XYZ terrorist groups of other countries (of which I am sure you can think of some) similarly breaks rules here.

It dishonours both the many victims of their dastardly acts and the sacrifices of all that have fought them (and achieved notable progress to the level we have now).

The last remaining leader of this particular group knows his fate is like the other 2 of the earlier troika.

Only degenerate cowards massacre entire villages (same poor folks they claim to fight a revolution for) when they do not fall into line....and only degenerate cowards refer to these as "freedom fighters".
 

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What seems interesting is that you lose far soldiers in jungles of India then you do in Kashmir. However the latter get's all the attention. 20,000 had died to Naxal terrorism upto 2017

It depends if you count armed police as "soldiers" (its why I changed the thread title to policemen from soldiers).

To me soldiers imply membership in military.

Kashmir has both Indian military and police deployed....qualitatively its higher up the hierarchy for both.

The larger Indian hinterland/interior cannot (for political reasons) have the military deployed. India does not have something like the national guard of the US (which is a military reserve for internal deployment...which the regular US military is barred from).

Thus lot of the naxalite conflict has relied on action of Indian armed police like CRPF and local police units too....their quality/training etc for this kind of COIN varies....and relies more on bulk deployment, road building, infra improvement to contain/constrain/strange naxalite root funding and sanctuary (this is why the less hardcore naxalites have given up and surrendered in large number lately).

Operations are carried out as well to eliminate the last remaining crucial transient nodes that are detected (given maoists keep shifting)...but given the nature of the situation there is definitely lot of intel-leaks that can happen as seems to have happened this time as well.

These are things Mr. Gupta mentions in his (fairly good) video as well.

Regardless this less-intense approach has certainly inflicted on human cost and protraction of the matter.

It is similar to issue faced by use of Frontier corps in various parts of Pakistan compared to dedicated military etc. Light Paramilitaries/police without enough suitable backup (in protection, planning and training) have their pitfalls.
 

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Maoist terrorists they want to bring mao zedongs horrors to India or maybe they are just criminals following a deluded commie manifesto. Or maybe just proxies in the game of geopolitics.

Seriously the only way their recruitment can be hit is by combating poverty.

For sure its not hard to recruit people who are poor or in poverty.
 

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Maoist terrorists they want to bring mao zedongs horrors to India or maybe they are just criminals following a deluded commie manifesto. Or maybe just proxies in the game of geopolitics.

Seriously the only way their recruitment can be hit is by combating poverty.

For sure its not hard to recruit people who are poor or in poverty.

It is actually tougher to recruit poor underprivileged folks than most know/think. Lot just want to be left alone and grow crops and make a living in peace...as peace at least gives their kids a chance (by going to school or tribal boarding schools early in life and make it out of the area maybe) at something better.

Maoists just didnt have the finance (or practice of finance) to give the raw sustainable offer to attract large numbers of population to their cause....rather they turned into a large agglomeration of criminal syndicate network.

Thus generally the maoists have relied on a core bunch of dedicated/indoctrinated fanatical types (and lot of these are fairly privileged + well educated, esp the leaders).

As things have gotten worse for them (losing ground, fighters and finance), they ramped up wholescale massacres to keep their extortion/grip on remaining villages/areas going.

It has backfired strategically, they lost the propaganda war in most places. They used to have some presence in local media for example back at their peak, now its all gone....they are more or less limited to where there is forest cover or large hiding spots around....they stray beyond it, they get snitched/informed on and they know it. But issue is they still have their own network of spies and dedicated finance at this last remaining tier that will be a tough nut to crack with approach taken (that was ok at the 80% bulk result, but the 20% "hardcore/veterans" remaining is whole different matter)
 

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It is actually tougher to recruit poor underprivileged folks than most know/think. Lot just want to be left alone and grow crops and make a living in peace...as peace at least gives their kids a chance (by going to school or tribal boarding schools early in life and make it out of the area maybe) at something better.

Maoists just didnt have the finance (or practice of finance) to give the raw sustainable offer to attract large numbers of population to their cause....rather they turned into a large agglomeration of criminal syndicate network.

Thus generally the maoists have relied on a core bunch of dedicated/indoctrinated fanatical types (and lot of these are fairly privileged + well educated, esp the leaders).

As things have gotten worse for them (losing ground, fighters and finance), they ramped up wholescale massacres to keep their extortion/grip on remaining villages/areas going.

It has backfired strategically, they lost the propaganda war in most places. They used to have some presence in local media for example back at their peak, now its all gone....they are more or less limited to where there is forest cover or large hiding spots around....they stray beyond it, they get snitched/informed on and they know it. But issue is they still have their own network of spies and dedicated finance at this last remaining tier that will be a tough nut to crack with approach taken (that was ok at the 80% bulk result, but the 20% "hardcore/veterans" remaining is whole different matter)

They resorted to drugs as usual.

This is common with all terrorist groups their ways of making money is drugs.

Maoism seriously who follows this shit anyway lmaooo
 

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Would they have make more trouble if given support from China amd does China has connection with those at all. Reallly odd to see movement like that nower days live and kicking....
 

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Would they have make more trouble if given support from China amd does China has connection with those at all. Reallly odd to see movement like that nower days live and kicking....

Yes China has been involved with them a long time (through various networks), likewise with the insurgencies India has faced in North-East.
 

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Yes China has been involved with them a long time (through various networks), likewise with the insurgencies India has faced in North-East.
By media footage appereance of guerilla, it seems to me only like verbal and simbolic involment but you have more insight into the matter, so i will just follow the events amd try to gather some more information.
 

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It depends if you count armed police as "soldiers" (its why I changed the thread title to policemen from soldiers).
I don't think i would call them regular policemen either. These are paramilitary forces. One unit i believe was dedicated COBRA commandos. FC are paramilitary. Levies in Indian context would be the guards.
 

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By media footage appereance of guerilla, it seems to me only like verbal and simbolic involment but you have more insight into the matter, so i will just follow the events amd try to gather some more information.
China has absolutely not involved other than symbolism of being inspired by Maoism in the past. If China was involved you can bet your bottom dollar India would have made a strong demarche to Beijing.
 

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I don't think i would call them regular policemen either. These are paramilitary forces. One unit i believe was dedicated COBRA commandos. FC are paramilitary. Levies in Indian context would be the guards.
India doesn't have any force with the name FC. We have CRPF, ITBP , SSB, Assam Rifles, CISF, BSF, and NSG as paramilitary. We one more force SFF which is neither military nor paramilitary
22 lives lost it makes no difference if they are army men or policemen
 

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China has absolutely not involved other than symbolism of being inspired by Maoism in the past. If China was involved you can bet your bottom dollar India would have made a strong demarche to Beijing.
Nothing is absolute in statecraft although I agree China is not directly involved most probably it's Nepal's shoulder used to help Maoists, personally, I feel it's a political problem and you can't solve it using armed tools. Andhra has reduced it to an extent that Maoists become ineffective there. This specific case is a classic case of ambush in which you lure the opponent into the trap and then demolish them
 

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Nobody is stopping you. After all there is nothing but jungles so asides from few dead elephants what collateral damage will?

What seems interesting is that you lose far soldiers in jungles of India then you do in Kashmir. However the latter get's all the attention. 20,000 had died to Naxal terrorism upto 2017
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Frankly, I sympathize these naxals. They're not separatists but only fighting for rights, equality and development albeit in a communist system. While we've seen communism fail in several countries and how it brought down Soviet Union to its knees, it's important the govt finds a solution to provide opportunities while not trying to impose a fully capitalist system. They've been exploited by local politicians for way too long and it is their right to fight but I wouldn't agree with the path they've chosen.

Secondly, the reason GoI isn't carpet bombing like your lot is most of these men are poor tribals from the remote jungles of central India. Though they're all jungles, its not just animals but a lot of tribals live in and around the region. Some don't even have the concept of money and they still use a barter system in the weekly local village fairs. Its important GoI protects and safeguards em unlike your lot who only care for punjabi sunni existence while wiping out minorities
 

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By media footage appereance of guerilla, it seems to me only like verbal and simbolic involment but you have more insight into the matter, so i will just follow the events amd try to gather some more information.

China has absolutely not involved other than symbolism of being inspired by Maoism in the past. If China was involved you can bet your bottom dollar India would have made a strong demarche to Beijing.

It is really too long story to get into, and traces well back to the original communist extreme-revolutionaries (mentioned in the Print video posted earlier)....and how this impacted on India when the cold war really kicked off geopolitically (and the sino-soviet split in the early 60s and the 1962 border war between India and China).....i.e where the radicals oriented vis-a-vis these developments to get foreign backing via intelligence networks and the willing participants locally aiding this (that put communist revolution as priority over the nation etc).

There was an entire split in the communist party of India into two parties from these developments in the 1960s....and the radicals all shaped into the "maoists" over time (which was then banned) when neither party backed their overt tendencies (at least officially)....in the interest of their political sustenance.

China did not do anything above surface (w.r.t hinterland maoists), it works through subterfuge here (like most foreign powers in general)...there is plenty on offer here given India's size and disorganisation for the longest time (hawala network etc). There is enough smattering of anti-nationals in upper crust of Indian society to aid this too.

With a much smaller country like Nepal (arguably connected to the red corridor of India at its high water mark, it has had far larger impact politically...its not like the Chinese one fine day found lot of pro-CCP factions in Nepal's govt with no earlier backing and support.

Though given the logistics closeness, China was more directly involved in the N.E insurgency....I can name you several N.E insurgent leaders that have visited and stayed in China for long periods, negotiating arms and funding.

It bears similarity to Chinese involvement in various insurgencies in Burma as well (esp their ethnic kin the Kokang, who often take refuge in China when Burmese army clamps down on them)....something that carries lasting impact among the Burmese junta to this day (in their weariness/deep suspicion with the PRC behind the facade of client state).

In fact one of the very little known conflicts between China and Burma in the Mao-stabilisation era were between ROC forces that had taken shelter along the border of Burma and even inside Burma (a sort of tempered low key continuation of the Chinese civil war on the fringes of the mainland after KMT fleeing to Taiwan). These all carry lingering involvements, contacts and legacies you keep active and see what happens etc to apply a sustained pressure on an adversary where possible. Almost every great power and large power is involved in such things where the interests are there....but it takes a high intensity of it to become an official overt issue (worth upsetting relations for 90% bulk population/economy stuff etc).

So these all weren't overt large involvements (or official/admitted by any stretch) but neither were they zero...they bear significant impact, but of course depending on the size of the country and its inherent inertia.

The latter is the basic strategic way India over time has reduced maoist insurgent activity as seen by the numbers of dead/year reducing significantly and also the maps posted earlier on the affected districts (showing ground lost by maoists last cpl decades)......contrasting to a maoist party (involved in significant previous insurgency conflict) being mainstreamed/absorbed as a large political faction in Nepal for example (but India also manevuering politically among this lot now too).
 

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Chhattisgarh ambush: Maoists want names of mediators for release of CRPF man


The Maoists urged the government to declare the names of mediators for negotiation for the release of CRPF’s elite CoBRA Commando, who was taken hostage during the encounter.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst


@Nilgiri The original source I cited was from Indian Newspaper which called the dead "soldiers" so I used that term.
 

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I don't think i would call them regular policemen either. These are paramilitary forces. One unit i believe was dedicated COBRA commandos. FC are paramilitary. Levies in Indian context would be the guards.

They aren't regular policemen. Maybe something like a gendarmerie system....any case its subjective convention whether you can call a cop/gendarme a soldier....maybe its grey area with paramilitaries in general.
 

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