TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Khagan1923]

TF-X isn't an deep strike vehicle. So don't expect it to carry Cruise Missiles in its bay.

 

[Spook]

Akbaba confirmed officially for the first time

 

[Yasar_TR]

Don't think it will, SOM-J was specifically desgined for internal carriage on F-35 which has large weapons bays that can fit 2000lb bombs.

TFX is an air superiority fighter first and foremost, although it will have multi-role capabilities it was not designed to be a stealthy bomb truck like F-35 is.

Initially intended for F-35s, Turkey's SOM-J missiles to be used with national combat jet, UAVs

Air-to-surface missiles developed for the F-35 fighter jet could be used with Turkey's locally developed national combat aircraft and unmanned aerial...

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SOM-J FÜZESİ MMU VE AKINCI İHA’YI BEKLİYOR

ROKETSAN ve TÜBİTAK SAGE ortaklığı ile geliştirilen Satha Atılan Orta Menzilli Mühimmat-J (SOM-J) füzesi, F-35’in yanı sıra Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii tarafından geliştirilen Milli Muharip […]

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som j will be used in TFX

 

[Combat-Master]

Initially intended for F-35s, Turkey's SOM-J missiles to be used with national combat jet, UAVs

Air-to-surface missiles developed for the F-35 fighter jet could be used with Turkey's locally developed national combat aircraft and unmanned aerial...

www.dailysabah.com

som j will be used in TFX

Externally sure. The question was whether it could be carried internally, which is a resounding no, unfortunately.

 

[Anmdt]

Akbaba confirmed officially for the first time

And what is this?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Externally sure. The question was whether it could be carried internally, which is a resounding no, unfortunately.

You are correct! External storage is for sure. But internally no!

US-Turkish Cruise Missile SOM-J May be a Victim of F-35 No-sale Fallout - Overt Defense

With the delivery of Russian S-400 systems and Turkey's subsequent ejection from the F-35 program in July, SOM-Js future is in doubt.

www.overtdefense.com

 

[Philips]

US-Turkish Cruise Missile SOM-J May be a Victim of F-35 No-sale Fallout - Overt Defense

With the delivery of Russian S-400 systems and Turkey's subsequent ejection from the F-35 program in July, SOM-Js future is in doubt.

www.overtdefense.com

"Whether the aircraft will be able to store SOM-J internally is unknown. In contrast to F-35, TF-X seems to have begun life with a greater focus on air superiority over strike missions. The layout of TF-X appears more inspired by F-22 than F-35, notably being twin-engined and lacking an EOTS turret under the nose (at least on the model). F-22’s weapon bays aren’t optimized for larger ordnance and are incapable of stowing SOM-J or JSM."

So just because the author of the article thinks the TF-X resembles the F-22 and therefore cannot carry the SOM internally, is such a bad argument.

Just because the F-22 has poor air-to-ground capability that means the TF-X is bad at it too?

 

[Siper>MMU]

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And what is this?

I expect its Gökhan

 

[Combat-Master]

"Whether the aircraft will be able to store SOM-J internally is unknown. In contrast to F-35, TF-X seems to have begun life with a greater focus on air superiority over strike missions. The layout of TF-X appears more inspired by F-22 than F-35, notably being twin-engined and lacking an EOTS turret under the nose (at least on the model). F-22’s weapon bays aren’t optimized for larger ordnance and are incapable of stowing SOM-J or JSM."

So just because the author of the article thinks the TF-X resembles the F-22 and therefore cannot carry the SOM internally, is such a bad argument.

Just because the F-22 has poor air-to-ground capability that means the TF-X is bad at it too?

Official image of the internal/external weapons load-out supports authors article.

 

[Spook]

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And what is this?

Waiting for the news articles

 

[Sinan]

Interview from SavunmaSanayiIST.

Within the scope of the F-16 Block 30 Structural Improvement Project initiated by the Presidency of Defense Industries in 2015, TAI continues its work successfully. With the project, the flight life of F-16 Block 30 warplanes, which reached 7000 flight hours as of 2016, is increased from 8,000 hours to 12,000 hours.

Bahadır SANALAN, who served as the F-16 Structural Modernization Program Manager at TAI, made the following statement on the subject:
“The Block 30 aircraft we currently have are the oldest F-16 aircraft in the Air Force's inventory. Therefore, they are in need of structural renovation at the moment. Within the scope of this project, we only carry out the structural modernization of Blok 30 aircraft, and we do not carry out any avionic modernization.
In these aircraft, we check the parts that need to be checked, replace the parts that need to be replaced, and repair or strengthen the parts that need to be repaired.
Lockheed Martin produces the structural parts, namely the kits, for this project. We are currently producing some parts such as wing upper panel, wing lower panel and front spar. We attach these parts to the planes and the structural modernization is done.

Under the program, we will modernize 35 aircraft. We have now completed and delivered 6 of them. One is currently awaiting delivery and we currently have 8 planes. Repairs continue on them as well.”
According to the information obtained; Activities within the scope of the F-16 Structural Improvement Project are planned to be completed by 2023.

F-16 Yapısal Modernizasyon Projesi ve Son Durum

TUSAŞ, F-16 Yapısal İyileştirme Projesini başarıyla sürdürüyor. Proje kapsamında, F-16 Blok 30 savaş uçakları modernize ediliyor ve uçuş ömürleri arttırılıyor.

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Can i do a pop-quiz for everyone?

Why do they use rivets in aircraft instead of welding?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Can i do a pop-quiz for everyone?

Why do they use rivets in aircraft instead of welding?

Aluminium bodies?
Al not heat friendly.
rivets give stronger joints

 

[Sinan]

Aluminium bodies?
Al not heat friendly.
rivets give stronger joints

3 Main reasons, one of the reason have something to do with Al. But not those reason exactly.

 

[Yasar_TR]

3 Main reasons, one of the reason have something to do with Al. But not those reason exactly.

Last one is , ease of inspection of rivets.

This is what I found with google search:
Pros

• Rivets are cheap
• Riveting can be done regardless of the position/location. (vertical, etc.)
• Very high shear strength and resistance from fatigue
• Removing a rivet causes less damage than a welded joint
• Some rivets can tolerate atmospheric and chemical corrosion
• No considerable damage to the protective coatings of the parts involved
• Can be used to join ferrous, non-ferrous metals, and even non-metals

Cons

• Need to pre-drill holes
• Noisy process
• Time-consuming
• Not a leakproof joint
• Rivets add weight while the holes reduce stability
• Riveted joints are significantly bulkier than welded joints
• Not always aesthetically appealing

 

[Sinan]

Last one is , ease of inspection of rivets.

Okay, let me answer the questions since everyvody is reading, nobody is answering.

1-) As you said Aluminum; it's really hard to weld Aluminum. It's not impossible but it's really very very hard when you compare it to welding steel.

In Example;

2-) For maintenance; it's really easy to remove rivets when you compare it breaking apart the welding.

3-) The most important part is for calculation; you can easily calculate how many rivets you need to hold a part. But in welding it's not that simple. Humans are not perfect, and even in steel welding is not that easy. It takes years to became an expert welder. Even if you use machines for welding they are also not doing a perfect job. In other stuff (like ships, ground vehicles) they just increase the safety the factor because weight is not a big issue. But in Aerial vehicles where weight is a huge issue, you can't just double the safety factors.

So, they go with rivets for decades and it's not changing much on Al bodied aircraft.

 

[Philips]

It seems the TF-X wont be carrying the SOM inside...

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri'nin MMU TF-X Sunumu ve Öne Çıkanlar

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri, Milli Muharip Uçak (MMU) TF-X ile ilgili bir sunum gerçekleştirdi. Sunum ile MMU TF-X hakkında merak edilen birçok soru, cevabını buldu.

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[Philips]

'Up to 1000lb internally'. That means that 4x BVR like AMRAAM are too heavy to be carried internally . Luckily a whole plethora of UCAV's will entire service for ground-attack operations.

 

[TheInsider]

'Up to 1000lb internally'. That means that 4x BVR like AMRAAM are too heavy to be carried internally . Luckily a whole plethora of UCAV's will entire service for ground-attack operations.

This is not necessarily the final capability of the aircraft. This is the minimum requirement the airforce will accept. Everything that is shown in those slide shows are the minimum requirements.

 

[Philips]

This is the minimum requirement the airforce will accept

Their requirements can be met by a single engine light/medium weight 5th gen design. Why then even bother with a twin engine heavy weight design?

 

[Zafer]

Their requirements can be met by a single engine light/medium weight 5th gen design. Why then even bother with a twin engine heavy weight design?

Perhaps it is because it is a mult-irole fighter that has to meet many other requirements like speed, range, non-stealth carrying capacity and such.