Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[NEKO]

It took about 1 year to know which second hand frigate is chosen for IRF, we may need to wait till next year to know about the chosen interim submarine.

 

[Madokafc]

Yonmarhanlan (base Defender, Marine Battalion)

 

[Madokafc]

BTR 50 refit

 

[Lordimperator]

Btw how much Soryu's price when they offered to attack class australian program?

 

[Gundala]

Suryo or Oyasuek is more reasonably, as they look at surface displacement weight around 2800 tonnes

I agree, this is reasonable and perhaps inline with the commitment couple of Japan automative industries to invest here as well as counter trade balance. I really dont see anyone putting their used 214 up for sale, for 209 there are some possibilities. Soryu class is nice, the transition otw to IOC would be painful and I hope it doesnt come with japanese advanced Panci . Used 209 would make the transition to IOC and involvement of PT.Pal for refit/refurbish become more clearer. Tho between those two my ego lean toward Soryu. Anyway who knows with the help of TKMS we could find good used 209/214, we need sea denial capability and submarine is perfect for it.

 

[archwings]

speaking of fremm, apparently according to the latest naval news video, we'll be getting the ASW version?
from 0:58 to 1:20

 

[Lordimperator]

speaking of fremm, apparently according to the latest naval news video, we'll be getting the ASW version?
from 0:58 to 1:20

I hope atleast they will kept the strales, milas missile and netuno ecm for ID. Btw thats a good looking Sigma with steroids. And lool at the lockheed lcs, why they put a lot of manned machine gun . Escpecially when the ship speeding at 30++knt

 

[trishna_amrta]

And lool at the lockheed lcs, why they put a lot of manned machine gun . Escpecially when the ship speeding at 30++knt

Different design philosophy. Furthermore, you only need those machine guns at low speed. Above 12 kts you ought to use other weapon (preferably a guided one)

 

[trishna_amrta]

Anyway, I just put these here ;

 

[Parry Brima]

After Nanggala case, i would prefer for TNI AL to stay out of Nuclear powered Submarine which needed more rigorous discipline for most of the time of their operational and at docks which something TNI AL and MoD doesn't have at the moment.

I agree, this is reasonable and perhaps inline with the commitment couple of Japan automative industries to invest here as well as counter trade balance. I really dont see anyone putting their used 214 up for sale, for 209 there are some possibilities. Soryu class is nice, the transition otw to IOC would be painful and I hope it doesnt come with japanese advanced Panci . Used 209 would make the transition to IOC and involvement of PT.Pal for refit/refurbish become more clearer. Tho between those two my ego lean toward Soryu. Anyway who knows with the help of TKMS we could find good used 209/214, we need sea denial capability and submarine is perfect for it.

Agree, I'll say NO to nuclear submarine. Besides, the MoD stated clearly during Rapim that he aims for Lithium-ion battery powered Scorpene.

If Naval Group can't give us what he wants, then who else produce Lithium-ion battery powered submarine and willingly export them to us?

(Too bad this SURYO guy never sings in Japanese)

 

[Lordimperator]

Lithium-ion battery powered Scorpene.

I wonder why we didnt pursue the french aip? Not proven yet?

 

[trishna_amrta]

I wonder why we didnt pursue the french aip? Not proven yet?

There is no requirement for it. Besides, why bother with the complexity of AIP when replacing the conventional battery with Li-ion battery could provide higher energy density

 

[Gundala]

I wonder why we didnt pursue the french aip? Not proven yet?

I assume its because the cost but mostly the operational requirement. AIP is expensive and the official published operational requirement I know that standout from other "regular" sub is the ability to fire Missiles. That makes the AIP being put into nice to have thing. The pre-emptive doctrine we try to implement is a work in progress, once the passive defence part is mostly done (MEF Program) then perhaps we can start thinking of having AIP and other more advance electronic device for non defensive purpose such as nguping negara tetangga

 

[NEKO]

How about Japanese submarine other than soryu class.

 

[Gary]

How about Japanese submarine other than soryu class.

Oyashio-class submarine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

will be retired gradually. and it's relatively young

 

[NEKO]

Oyashio-class submarine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

will be retired gradually. and it's relatively young

The oldest is launched in 96 the newest in 2008, definitely not that old.

 

[Gary]

The oldest is launched in 96 the newest in 2008, definitely not that old.

yes the thing is Japan MSDF requirement for attack subs are 22, if they had more than that they'll retire the boats , either they're new or old.

Now the JMSDF operate 12 Soryu class boats, with 11 Oyashio and 2 Taigei under various stage of construction.

surely more than the 22 requirement.

From subs to missiles, US pushes Japan to get real about China threat

Washington needs allies to step up, but Tokyo spots pitfalls all around

asia.nikkei.com

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416120953398910977

 

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416120953398910977

Use CAMM ER or ukhomto Missiles

 

[Basith90]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416120953398910977

So this mean they treat us if we dont choose their equipment (radar, cms etc) ?

Do the Leonardo have any altenative?
Well i gues IH frigate would be like enlarge version of Martadina then