TR Aftermath of the earthquakes in Turkey's South-east

[Mehmed Ali]

What is needed in Turkiye right now is a society without corruption and nepotism. These are the most important things for a country to prosper. We don’t need the death penalty, especially with a madman what's the ne? Villepain or something like that?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Guys! I am trying to figure out the total infrastructure destruction and damage in terms of $ .
Can any of you give any estimate?
@Nutuk @Yasar @Merzifonlu and others.

If you don’t take in to account the cost of land, a quake resistant multi storey building with 4 to say 12 storeys, will cost you, realistically today, around 7500 TL per square meter to build. That is approximately 415 dollars a square metre.
With over 11000 buildings reportedly collapsed (government figures are around 7000 buildings) and almost as many uninhabitable ; each building having average 4 apartments per floor and an average of 6-8 floors ; each apartment being around 120 square metre Gross to build; you do the math.
I took it as each building having 3300 square metres with 7 floors average and 20000 buildings that need to be replaced.
Only the building cost could be in excess of 30 billion dollars.
Remember that these are also buildings that contained personal effects and furniture of people. There are hospitals that have collapsed with valuable equipment in them. These are exempt.
The human cost to the country is immeasurable.
There is also the cost of damage to Infrastructure; roads, amenities like gas and electricity infrastructure etc etc
Cost of amount of time the population of the area not contributing to the economy can not be calculated.

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1999 quake cost our GDP in excess of 40 billion dollars. May be more. Economists could shine better light on the issue.

Turkey GDP - Worldometer

Current and historical Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of Turkey in nominal and real US dollar values. GDP growth rates and charts

www.worldometers.info

 

[Saithan]

Interesting how low the cost is. 25-40k DKK per sqm is what I’d say it should cost. That’s around 3,5k-6k usd.

 

[dBSPL]

Interesting how low the cost is. 25-40k DKK per sqm is what I’d say it should cost. That’s around 3,5k-6k usd.

Leaving aside the absurd inflation of construction materials in the last 2 years, the main factor increasing the cost of construction square meters in our country is the cost of land.

Especially Hatay and Antakya need to be combined with the surrounding districts and the city area needs to be spread over a wider area with a 3-4 storey zoning plan. For this, treasury lands and reserve areas will need to be opened for development. Otherwise, the expropriation process will become very complicated. In order to complete these housing constructions within the targeted 1-year period, zoning plans need to be prepared urgently.

Some of the cost of renovating the destroyed and damaged buildings will be covered by insurance companies through the compulsory earthquake insurance DASK (I say compulsory, but I estimate that the rate of DASK in the region is around 50%). Not all of it, because almost everyone is insured with the lowest policy amount.

Another important cost item here, apart from the cost of house construction, is infrastructure. Roads, sewage and electricity infrastructure. Public buildings, schools and kindergartens... Also, under the state of emergency, money taps need to open to the main city municipalities.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Interesting how low the cost is. 25-40k DKK per sqm is what I’d say it should cost. That’s around 3,5k-6k usd.

Having dabbled in building multi-storey apartments through employing architects and civil engineers I do have good sources that can corroborate the above cost figures. But after the quake, what the inflation of building materials will bring is anybody’s guess.
But I wouldn’t compare European cost base with Turkey’s. A UK bungalow of 100square metre is insured for around 185 thousand pounds as rebuilding cost. UK building system for a bungalow involves less costly materials and hardly any steel in its construction.
An apartment in UK should cost around 1800-3000 gbp per square metre at most.

https://www.checkatrade.com/blog/cost-guides/how-much-cost-build-flats/

 

[Lool]

@AWP

@Lool is right. You are wrong. Death Penalty is very very bad idea, especialy in Turkiye!

Not only in Turkey but everywhere
Having a death penalty is literally the easy option for: "how do I get some1 to disappear so that he doesnt piss me off anymore"

There is a reason that the yearly number of executions in Egypt, KSA, UAE, LIBYA, and many other Med East countries are soo high. It is the optimal tool for leaders to dispose of their opponents

 

[Ravenman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624757061081759744

 

[dBSPL]

Another major responsibility, which all state-owned banks should shoulder with the support of the Treasury, is the additional subsidies and incentives for business activities in the earthquake zone. Thousands of workplaces were destroyed. People who have lost their jobs need to be able to return to the region after the emergency is over.

 

[Ravenman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624692752754569218

The man was shouting 'we dont have electricity for 6 days in a row, let me tell our problems here'.

I knew the mainstream media was rotten everywhere but in Turkey it is God of War-mode rotten.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624725967171203074

Another group is leaving due to security threats.

The combination of millions of refugees, a struggling economy as well as the humanitarian crisis caused by the earthquakes have made it a dangerous situation. For years, every day hundreds of men cross our borders. They already caused trouble for a while, but now that we can't feed, pay and house them they begin to loot and attack rescue and aid workers and volunteers.

More military, Jandarma and police need to be deployed.

Update: was wondering why the tweet wasn't showing. "United Hatzalah" deleted their tweet which stated that they would be leaving.

 

[Lool]

And here we go
More and more fake news are being spread
While looters are real, spreading hate will just make stuff even harder
There are already news that some volunteers are being attacked in Hatay

TRANSLATION:
MasterChef competitor Uğur Kardaş, who made the news that "An Afghan man pulls a corpse out of the wreckage and cuts off his arm to get his bracelet", was arrested after his claim was found to be unfounded.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624753399857139719

 

[what]

This is getting out of hand, I will not share the things that are shared on social media.
But there seems to be a video of three people that have been beaten to death.
You, our we all are not the police or the judiciary, we are not the one to decide what punishment someone deserves.


Populists like Ümit Özdag are inciting violence and hatred. He should be charged accordingly. He's bringing even more darkness over a already dark country right now.

At this speed he's going to incite a progrom and thats the last thing we need right now or ever.


I'll ban and/or warn anyone who's encouraging or celebrating the barbaric vigilantism we're seeing right now.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Populists like Ümit Özdag are inciting violence and hatred. He should be charged accordingly. He's bringing even more darkness over a already dark country right now.

As an admin I want to remain neutral. However, Ümit Özdağ has stated multiple times that he advises people not to pour their anger out with violence.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624445035675635718

Sure, he is a populist, but at the end of the day that doesn't make him a criminal. He is only capitalising on people's concerns, one of the biggest of which is the uncontrolled migrant situation. People are fed up from their own experiences, he never told them to do anything apart from vote for him.

I saw some of the videos you're talking about, some of which involve the police too. Again, I don't want to get political, but there is profound mismanagement at play in Türkiye.

 

[Asena_great]

As an admin I want to remain neutral. However, Ümit Özdağ has stated multiple times that he advises people not to pour their anger out with violence.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624445035675635718

Sure, he is a populist, but at the end of the day that doesn't make him a criminal. He is only capitalising on people's concerns, one of the biggest of which is the uncontrolled migrant situation. People are fed up from their own experiences, he never told them to do anything apart from vote for him.

I saw some of the videos you're talking about, some of which involve the police too. Again, I don't want to get political, but there is profound mismanagement at play in Türkiye.

if in day one government activated Emasya protokolü we wouldn't see anyone of these and thousands of people would be alive

 

[Rooxbar]

The same cultural base of problems that leads to corruption and nepotism, also finds solace in the idea of death penalty and citizen vigilantism. None of these are solutions; the countries you hate have them all in plenty.

 

[Anmdt]

As an admin I want to remain neutral. However, Ümit Özdağ has stated multiple times that he advises people not to pour their anger out with violence.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624445035675635718

Sure, he is a populist, but at the end of the day that doesn't make him a criminal. He is only capitalising on people's concerns, one of the biggest of which is the uncontrolled migrant situation. People are fed up from their own experiences, he never told them to do anything apart from vote for him.

I saw some of the videos you're talking about, some of which involve the police too. Again, I don't want to get political, but there is profound mismanagement at play in Türkiye.

With all due respect,

I agree that people shouldn't be deciding whom to be punished but government should reinstate the execution in worst possible way, just to make sure that these people suffer as they deserve.

My friends seen things on field that any sane person would end up beating whomever does it to death. I am telling 'sane' since, whomever experienced this earthquake lost the sanity, thus they do worse than a sane person.

Another friend who came out of his home alive and not injured couldn't think of drinking water 4 days and realized that once i reached and asked ' can you find water'. Note he didn't lose a friend or a relative with the earthquake too.

Situation is real bad, x100 whatever you see on social media. People who been to the region for aid and rescue spent their days hearing sounds, screams and beggings from rumble as they pass by and again, these are people whom trained to bear this (professional soldier whom i know). He had meltdown almost everyday as reported by him.

I have no words, nor any mercy for looters, kidnappers, organ mafias, the ones who loot the rescue teams, the ones who steal generators and lights to sell around.

 

[Rodeo]

Guys! I am trying to figure out the total infrastructure destruction and damage in terms of $ .
Can any of you give any estimate?
@Nutuk @Yasar @Merzifonlu and others.

Not a direct answer to your question but it's related.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624720302927126528

"In 22 years, 38 billion 227 million dollars of earthquake tax was collected in Turkey.

With this tax, 1.3 million houses with an area of 96 square meters could be built.
(Euronews)"

 

[Yasar_TR]

In the event of war and cataclysmic disasters like this, only way to hold law and order is to shoot on the spot, the looters and the vandals.
State laws and humanitarian approach is no longer valid under such conditions.
When someone is intending to do harm, or the security personnel (Police or Jandarme) has reason to believe they will do harm, they are warned then shot to stop them in any modern society. UK has ARU (Armed Response Units) , US has SWAT for this kind of response.
The Turkish security forces must be sent to those areas immediately with full authority. There is no other choice.

 

[dBSPL]

Amidst all the devastating news, a rescue miracle that may bring a little bit smile to your face. Ikranur was pulled out of the wreckage 6 days later by our heroic miners.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624724957597995008

 

[Yasar_TR]

Not a direct answer to your question but it's related.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624720302927126528

"In 22 years, 38 billion 227 million dollars of earthquake tax was collected in Turkey.

With this tax, 1.3 million houses with an area of 96 square meters could be built.
(Euronews)"

Do we know where this money is now?