TR Air Defence Programs

[Huelague]

The S-400 deal must be the dumbest defense procurement we have ever made. It cost us so much and we gained virtually nothing from it, zilch.

The country who is famous for destroying Russian SAM systems is paying huge amounts of money to buy them. Fate loves irony, indeed.

We are able to destroy various Russian ADS. You think others can do same?

 

[Ryder]

The S-400 deal must be the dumbest defense procurement we have ever made. It cost us so much and we gained virtually nothing from it, zilch.

The country who is famous for destroying Russian SAM systems is paying huge amounts of money to buy them. Fate loves irony, indeed.

They still took away our F35s despite the S400 shitbox.

Even without this shit box they would have find something. Since the F35s have been taken away Erdogan and co just went with the s400 because we are going to end up empty handed anyway.

The West does not like Turkiye no matter how much you suck up to them. Same story with Russia.

The West and Russia dont want a world order where their rule is challenged. A strong Turkiye joining this multipolar world with its own destiny is not good news for them.

 

[Fighter_35]

We are able to destroy various Russian ADS. You think others can do same?

Others already destroyed several Russian systems long before us and also still destroys now!!
Especially Israel!!
Any fighter aircraft is priority than any defense systems including USA ones. And especially when this fighter is a stealth one like f-35 and especially when your air force made plans accordingly!

 

[UkroTurk]

We are able to destroy various Russian ADS. You think others can do same?

Yes Ukraine can.
Mig-29 with HARMs destroyed Russian SAMs.

İf Ukraine does, it means Greeks also can do it since they have F-16s.

İ am really wondering capabilities of S400 against f-16.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Yes Ukraine can.
Mig-29 with HARMs destroyed Russian SAMs.

İf Ukraine does, it means Greeks also can do it since they have F-16s.

İ am really wondering capabilities of S400 against f-16.

Turkiye got scammed with this Shit-400 deal. Whoever proposed that Idea to Erdogan should be jailed for high treason.

 

[Altay2071]

They still took away our F35s despite the S400 shitbox.

Even without this shit box they would have find something. Since the F35s have been taken away Erdogan and co just went with the s400 because we are going to end up empty handed anyway.

The West does not like Turkiye no matter how much you suck up to them. Same story with Russia.

The West and Russia dont want a world order where their rule is challenged. A strong Turkiye joining this multipolar world with its own destiny is not good news for them.

F35 first deliveries were ready. They even had our flag on them. Without S400 we could still have obtained them. And without the ridicoulous "one minute" event, we would have obtained all and more. So that argument that they are against us, so they wouldnt have delivered, is not correct. This is AKP propaganda. If we had f35s now, our treatment of Russia would have been harsher.

 

[Agha Sher]

tbh, everybody though S400 was cutting edge. The chinese and americans included.

 

[Baryshx]

The same embargo cannot be applied twice.

Russian Federal Military-Technical Cooperation Service (FSVTS) Director Dmitriy Shugayev: “A contract has been signed for the supply of the second S-400 battery to Turkiye and for partial domestic production in Turkiye"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1559458709620809728

 

[Rodeo]

tbh, everybody though S400 was cutting edge. The chinese and americans included.

Then why are we still pursuing it, especially after the stunt they pulled with the nuclear power station? What can we gain with these systems when our SAM projects are already in full-swing? Do Russians have some leverage on us that we don't know about? Or are we caught up on Stockholm syndrome?

We must stop getting scammed by Russians, asap. Let's face it, the government overplayed his hand and they blew it.

 

[Zafer]

tbh, everybody though S400 was cutting edge. The chinese and americans included.

What makes you think it is not?

 

[Siper>MMU]

S-400 successes
none
S-400 fails:
failed to stop TB-2s
failed to stop tactical balistic missiles
failed to stop Ukranian jets

 

[Lool]

S-400 successes
none
S-400 fails:
failed to stop TB-2s
failed to stop tactical balistic missiles
failed to stop Ukranian jets

S400 wasnt employed in the war AFAIK
The only air defejce systems deployed were the Pantsir series, Buk series, and S300s

The S400s were only used once from Belarus to down Ukrainian fighter jets over Kyiev over 150 km away at the start of the war

 

[Lool]

Russia really is on edge recently
They are even spreading false claims

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1559536166747217920

 

[MarcusZidanta]

Turkey needed an Air Defence system urgently, it was basically an emergency because there was no high altitude ad system. The only defence we had was our own fighter jets.

A stealth fighter jet is less important and not an emergency because non of our neighbours have it.

The West did not sell air defence systems. And Russia was willing to. The Singaporean military estimated the F-35 would run for only 4 months after a US supply embargo.

Ukrainian S300 have done an amazing job denying Russia air superiority. I also think drone strikes are assisted by EW.

i think Turkish High Command knows more than the F35 fanboys here. Let's develop indigenous systems so we don't have to suck up to them.

 

[Tornadoss]

S400 wasnt employed in the war AFAIK
The only air defejce systems deployed were the Pantsir series, Buk series, and S300s

The S400s were only used once from Belarus to down Ukrainian fighter jets over Kyiev over 150 km away at the start of the war

AFAIK there are S-400 in Crimea.

 

[Baryshx]

I guess there is no hope left in Samp-T, so Türkiye turned to Russia. Can Russia give some technology for ballistic missile defense?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I guess there is no hope left in Samp-T, so Türkiye turned to Russia. Can Russia give some technology for ballistic missile defense?

At the time of purchase, the S-400 were known to be one of the most effective ADSs, and that's according to western sources.
After seeing the sham that's called Russian defence industry and the level of corruption and theft involved, whether it was in Libya, Sirya, Karabagh, or Ukraine, one has to think twice before opting for any Russian defence product, and the S-400 are probably the case too.

 

[mohammadtd]

Anybody know why Turkey trying to buy AD systems? Turkish defence indeustry not has technical knowledge to build ? or it take long time to develop? Thank you in advance.

 

[MarcusZidanta]

Anybody know why Turkey trying to buy AD systems? Turkish defence indeustry not has technical knowledge to build ? or it take long time to develop? Thank you in advance.

Hello. Turkish ADs are very new, not battle proven, and military officials don't want to put all eggs in one basket.

Russian AD is a gap filler until Turkish AD becomes more advanced and battle proven.

 

[Altay2071]

Turkey needed an Air Defence system urgently, it was basically an emergency because there was no high altitude ad system. The only defence we had was our own fighter jets.

A stealth fighter jet is less important and not an emergency because non of our neighbours have it.

The West did not sell air defence systems. And Russia was willing to. The Singaporean military estimated the F-35 would run for only 4 months after a US supply embargo.

Ukrainian S300 have done an amazing job denying Russia air superiority. I also think drone strikes are assisted by EW.

i think Turkish High Command knows more than the F35 fanboys here. Let's develop indigenous systems so we don't have to suck up to them.

Well, if we needed it so urgently why didnt we buy a Nato system in the last twenty years? Yes, we wanted technology transfer. Did. we get it from russians? This S400 debacle is one of the utter failures in recent history. Also the Turkish High Command wanted F35 and everything was prepared. So either it was a mistake to enter that program or a mistake to manage to be kicked out! So which mistake did we do in your opinion!?