TR Air Defence Programs

[Huelague]

Because of BMC . We have to wait for BMC to turn one of their armored vehicles into an amphibious vehicle. Both FNSS and Otokar have amphibious vehicles that might carry the Sungur turret.

Erdogans nepotism with BMC fucked us up again.

 

[SaR]

Atilgan, Zipkin hopefully would be able to integrate Sungur. They are getting older but very capable platforms.

I think right decision on cancelling Hisar A in favor of Sungur and Hisar O.

What will happen to the ACV-30 Hisar A platforms I wonder. It could be redesigned with Sungur+.

Goktug NASAMS hopefully for medium AA along with Hisar O, RF. Military would like it a lot for logistical ease. Maybe they can continue ACV-30 Hisar with Goktug.

 

[Hexciter]

İsmail Demir:
The target was destroyed in the first RF (Radio Frequency) Seeker Headed Test Missile of the HİSAR O+ System.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494959885292904450

 

[Hexciter]

Is the Siper missile a boosterized Hisar-O+ RF?

 

[Yasar_TR]

İsmail Demir:
The target was destroyed in the first RF (Radio Frequency) Seeker Headed Test Missile of the HİSAR O+ System.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494959885292904450

You can’t get a better hit than that!
The missile, from the pictures I presume, did not have an explosive head, But destroyed the target drone by hit to kill.
It would be great if a range figure was also released though!

 

[Yasar_TR]

Is the Siper missile a boosterized Hisar-O+ RF?
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It doesn’t look like it. Anyway, if it were, then this missile wouldn’t be Hisar-O+. It would be Siper.

 

[dustdevil]

Is the Siper missile boosterized Hisar-O+ RF?
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Looks like, and very logical if it’s better than old Hisar O+ airframe for the purpose. I did not like the reduced diameter front section of the standard Hisar missile. It looked like ESSM but ESSM evolved from Sparrow to use a bigger rocket motor and that caused the diameter difference between rocket engine and sensor parts. ESSM block 2 already has an enlarged front section to accommodate a bigger sensor. So going near full diameter for Hisar O+ RF could be a good idea for longer range and sensor capacity.


Although the missile in previous Hisar RF footage also looked like to have enlarged front part. Not sure but itself might have evolved to boostered Siper but we did not know about it.

 

[Cenkcnk]

İsmail Demir:
The target was destroyed in the first RF (Radio Frequency) Seeker Headed Test Missile of the HİSAR O+ System.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494959885292904450

onboard target cam looks awesome

 

[SaR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494969392102260742

Current AA family

 

[Hexciter]

Saffet Uyanık:
The new Hisar-RF and SİPER Blok-1 missiles are apparently the same missiles. It looks like it will have a similar structure to the Barak-8 concept. The one without booster of the same missile will be used for medium altitude and the one with booster will be used for high altitude.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494975023974600704

 

[Hexciter]

Hisar-O+ RF will be used by the Air Force and Navy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494963863648980995

I’m thinking that the Army still insisting on the original project

 

[Cabatli_TR]

In a single Hisar battery, two infrared seeker missiles (Hisar-A+ and Hisar-O+) and one active Rf-seeker missile (Hisar-Rf) will be able to engage enemy targets. Imaging Infrared missiles perform better under heavy jamming conditions, while active RF missiles can accurately find their targets from longer ranges in bad weather conditions. The combination of these two technologies in the same battery will cause devastating results for the enemy.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Meanwhile, the test fire of the Hisar-Rf missile was made without a warhead and laser or radar proximity fuse and destroyed high speed target drone by hit to kill. It is a very important detail in terms of seeing the precision of the developed air defence missile technology.

 

[SaR]

Saffet Uyanık:
The new Hisar-RF and SİPER Blok-1 missiles are apparently the same missiles. It looks like it will have a similar structure to the Barak-8 concept. The one without booster of the same missile will be used for medium altitude and the one with booster will be used for high altitude.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494975023974600704

Siper Block 1 is smaller than Hisar RF.

But also, The Siper is yet to be revealed next year. Will be the biggest AA missile yet.

What is the goal with Block 1? Could be missile for Barak like concept.

 

[TheInsider]

Siper Block 1 is an interim solution with little effort. Just add a booster to increase the range of Hisar-RF and you are good to go. The real Siper missile will be similar to Barak-8, and with a booster, it will be similar to Barak-8ER.

 

[Abdelaziz]

Siper Block 1 is an interim solution with little effort. Just add a booster to increase the range of Hisar-RF and you are good to go. The real Siper missile will be similar to Barak-8, and with a booster, it will be similar to Barak-8ER.

No its not that easy .. to increase the range you need to improve the datalink .. the FCR .. the searching radar and many others

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Siper Block 1 is smaller than Hisar RF.

But also, The Siper is yet to be revealed next year. Will be the biggest AA missile yet.

What is the goal with Block 1? Could be missile for Barak like concept.

In fact test fired Siper and Hisar-Rf is the same missiles. The Siper Block-1(According to some source, It is Block-0) missile has emerged as a quick solution developed for (i suppose) testing the point of technology reached in the field of the Radar/Data-link/seeker communication infrastructure at longer ranges. I don't suppose Blk-0 missile will enter the inventory but I think the real Siper Blk-1 missile will have a larger diameter and be revealed soon and can reach the ~70-100km without booster. I think that the version with the booster will see 150km ranges.

In terms of ranges, concept, idea, the technology (dual pulse, 360 degree VL, seeker head) that Turkey has reached/is going to reach in Siper missiles is similar to Israel's Barak family but The 150 km version of the Siper will have a double seeker head (Rf+IIR), unlike Barak-Er. I'm sharing Israeli concept here to give you an idea about Turkish concept.

Barak MRAD(single pulse motor): up to 35km (Hisar-Rf-dual pulse rocket motor 35+km)
Barak LRAD: up to 70km (Siper Blk-1)
Barak ER Rf: up to 150km (Siper Blk2- Rf+IIR)

 

[Hexciter]

In fact test fired Siper and Hisar-Rf is the same missiles. The Siper Block-1(According to some source, It is Block-0) missile has emerged as a quick solution developed for (i suppose) testing the point of technology reached in the field of the Radar/Data-link/seeker communication infrastructure at longer ranges. I don't suppose Blk-0 missile will enter the inventory but I think the real Siper Blk-1 missile will have a larger diameter and be revealed soon and can reach the ~70-100km without booster. I think that the version with the booster will see 150km ranges.

In terms of ranges, concept, idea, the technology (dual pulse, 360 degree VL, seeker head) that Turkey has reached/is going to reach in Siper missiles is similar to Israel's Barak family but The 150 km version of the Siper will have a double seeker head (Rf+IIR), unlike Barak-Er. I'm sharing Israeli concept here to give you an idea about Turkish concept.

Barak MRAD(single pulse motor): up to 35km (Hisar-Rf-dual pulse rocket motor 35+km)
Barak LRAD: up to 70km (Siper Blk-1)
Barak ER Rf: up to 150km (Siper Blk2- Rf+IIR)

I prefer a larger booster (with no need of folding wings) as in the Standard missile

 

[Balamir]

Good news. The test was done recently. The missile looks partly like Siper Block-1. For a more accurate analysis, it is necessary to see a clearer photo of the missile.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I prefer a larger booster (with no need of folding wings) as in the Standard missile
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I think the Siper Blk-3 missile will come with a larger booster and ballistic missile interception capability will be much higher.