TR Air Defence Programs

[Sanchez]

Sungur Manpads

Oh my god, finally a nice high quality to look to both Sungur and its launcher. Fatih Mehmet is my hero.

 

[Bogeyman]

Oh my god, finally a nice high quality to look to both Sungur and its launcher. Fatih Mehmet is my hero.

Fatih did not go to the fair.

 

[Strong AI]

The GURZ system combines the most advanced radar technologies with a 35 mm air burst anti-aircraft gun and low altitude air defense missiles. System is developed to protect fixed and mobile critical elements from UAVs, aircrafts, helicopters, cruise missiles…

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

The GURZ system combines the most advanced radar technologies with a 35 mm air burst anti-aircraft gun and low altitude air defense missiles. System is developed to protect fixed and mobile critical elements from UAVs, aircrafts, helicopters, cruise missiles…


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I really want to see that thing in the Inventory. I have to say, it looks super sexy

 

[Agha Sher]

Sungur Manpads

The most gorgeous missile in existence.

 

[Oublious]

C-UAS exercise:

weapons from second world war, funny part is our snipers are ready against violating airspace....

 

[BaburKhan]

Because it look similar like that what LNA left in al-Wattiya?

 

[Aqerdf]

GÜRZ with additional soft kill & hard kill C-UAS ? It looked to me an RFJ and HEL (or long range EO) is added :

Shout out to Defence Web. Their PARS interview is also online.

Edit: And 3x(?) smaller antenna arrays. Data-link arrays for long range missile guidance or additional radars for different purposes ?

 

[uçuyorum]

The position of the sungur on Gürz is just wrong. The exaust flames and gas is directly pointed at sensitive parts.

 

[Afif]

Perhaps cold launch like this below, I assume.

 

[Kartal1]

Gürz is preparing for the TSK inventory! ASELSAN General Manager Ahmet Akyol: “The first shots were fired. Currently, efforts are ongoing to include it in the Turkish Armed Forces' inventory. We will add it to our army's inventory within a few years. “It is a game-changing system.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754917553388781651

 

[Anmdt]

Close-up on the displayed GÜRZ, with HEL-Optic Dazzler, RF Jammer for mini drones.

Refer to @DefenceTurkey article for more;

GÜRZ is a Multi-Purpose Short/Very Short Range, Autonomous, Air and Missile Defense System. GÜRZ System mission is to provide layered air and missile defense for stationary/moving forces and high value assets against, all UAVs from micro mini to class 5, helicopters, fighter aircrafts, cruise missiles, mini guided bombs and air-to-ground missiles.

And;

Maintaining the military security, GÜRZ features to work in a squadron of three GÜRZ systems, one of which takes the role of squadron master. The squadron will communicate via radio in this configuration. The system can connect (via radio) to higher echelon C2 while operating on its own or in a squadron. This multi-purpose system does not need any leveling system for firing hence it has the ability to utilize Fired-On-The-Move.

This Multi-Purpose Autonomous Air and Missile Defense System uses following solutions:

• Sensors: search radar, tracking radar, EO for active and passive target detection, identification, classification and tracking
• Effectors: V-SHORAD&SHORAD missiles and ATOM® Air-Burst and HEI(-T) Munition and RF Countermeasure system
• Fire control and command control subsystems for optimized multi-layered air and missile defense
• Other subsystems for effective functionality of the overall system

Source: Defence Turkey

 

[Anmdt]

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Close-up on the displayed GÜRZ, with HEL-Optic Dazzler, RF Jammer for mini drones.

Refer to @DefenceTurkey article for more;

And;

Source: Defence Turkey

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1755626265476780386

RF Jammer
HEL - Optic Dazzler (10 kW)
35mm programmable airbust, tracking radar
VSHORAD (Sungur)
Alternative VSHORAD (Unnamed low-cost CLOS missile)
SHORAD (Bozdoğan YH renamed to be Göksur IIR - also indicates that there is Göksur RF)
Alternative SHORAD (Hisar family)

Also note;
Data link, for Goksur RF (Gokdogan YH) / Hisar RF and possibly for undisclosed CLOS missile.

The compact canister for Goksur and Hisar families is all we need at the moment, with VL Goksur it gets to be créme de la créme.

Customer - How many layers can you add?
Aselsan - Yes

 

[Strong AI]

ASELSAN was like:

I am going to build my own PANTSIR with Blackjack and Hookers.

 

[Strong AI]

{AirDefense}
GÖKDENİZ Close-In Weapon System (CIWS), reliable power of naval platforms, is on duty.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1755599929765224762

 

[Tornadoss]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1755626265476780386

RF Jammer
HEL - Optic Dazzler (10 kW)
35mm programmable airbust, tracking radar
VSHORAD (Sungur)
Alternative VSHORAD (Unnamed low-cost CLOS missile)
SHORAD (Bozdoğan YH renamed to be Göksur IIR - also indicates that there is Göksur RF)
Alternative SHORAD (Hisar family)

Also note;
Data link, for Goksur RF (Gokdogan YH) / Hisar RF and possibly for undisclosed CLOS missile.

The compact canister for Goksur and Hisar families is all we need at the moment, with VL Goksur it gets to be créme de la créme.

It would be a quite expensive piece of equipment.

 

[uçuyorum]

I have multiple issues with GÜRZ. First of all it goes against land forces doctrine:
Land forces wants to spread out expensive equipment as much as possible to different vehicles. In tbe case one fails, is hit or has any other trouble like engine trouble or is stuck in mud whatever, the rest should not be useless. That's why Korkut, Hisar etc have radar separate and multiple platforms for launch or firing, with redundancies. Furthermore, it is taxing on personnel to handle too many equipment and jobs at once, instead they want every personnel focused on one task.

GÜRZ is instead like a land ship, it's big, expensive an has everything at once. If one is hit or lost, you lose multiple capabilities, and the cost would be severe as well. You lose radars, jammer, cannon, both missile systems...

Another big flaw is the fact that missiles are connected to turret and pointed in the same direction together. If multiple threats were to engage from different directions you would be unable to fire at all of them at once despite having separate systems for all. If you knew enemy could come from a limited area it could still work but otherwise you would be easily taken out by multiple small drones. So I think they should at least separate the hisar / bozdoğan launchers to a different position. I think going from this idea, you could add sungur or aesa radar to existing korkut systems instead as an upgrade, and have hisar and jammers / laser as separate vehicle. Otherwise to use Gürz effectively, you would need 2-3 of them at once.

 

[Zafer]

I have multiple issues with GÜRZ. First of all it goes against land forces doctrine:
Land forces wants to spread out expensive equipment as much as possible to different vehicles. In tbe case one fails, is hit or has any other trouble like engine trouble or is stuck in mud whatever, the rest should not be useless. That's why Korkut, Hisar etc have radar separate and multiple platforms for launch or firing, with redundancies. Furthermore, it is taxing on personnel to handle too many equipment and jobs at once, instead they want every personnel focused on one task.

GÜRZ is instead like a land ship, it's big, expensive an has everything at once. If one is hit or lost, you lose multiple capabilities, and the cost would be severe as well. You lose radars, jammer, cannon, both missile systems...

Another big flaw is the fact that missiles are connected to turret and pointed in the same direction together. If multiple threats were to engage from different directions you would be unable to fire at all of them at once despite having separate systems for all. If you knew enemy could come from a limited area it could still work but otherwise you would be easily taken out by multiple small drones. So I think they should at least separate the hisar / bozdoğan launchers to a different position. I think going from this idea, you could add sungur or aesa radar to existing korkut systems instead as an upgrade, and have hisar and jammers / laser as separate vehicle. Otherwise to use Gürz effectively, you would need 2-3 of them at once.

Export market is probably the primary market. There is merit to having all systems in one portable platform too. If the system is quick in reacting then the disadvantage of all guns pointing in the same direction can be minimized or better turned into an advantage by not having separate sensors for each gun.

 

[boredaf]

Otherwise to use Gürz effectively, you would need 2-3 of them at once.

That's literally what is suggested in the link Anmdt shared above:

"Maintaining the military security, GÜRZ features to work in a squadron of three GÜRZ systems, one of which takes the role of squadron master. The squadron will communicate via radio in this configuration. The system can connect (via radio) to higher echelon C2 while operating on its own or in a squadron."

And in a scenario where air threat is high, it makes more sense for any system to work in a squadron anyway. Look at how many Russian shorad systems have been destroyed on their own by us or Ukraine.

 

[Sanchez]

I wonder what the unit price of Gürz would be. 20? 40? New system, 4 to 8 missiles, 4 Sungurs, 35mm turret, 4 AESA radars, multiple EOs, even a laser? Could be interesting for Saudi, no way we get these in numbers tho.