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Seems like the embargo from Canada is back, bad news for Bayraktar. Hope they stocked up on the parts.
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Seems like the embargo from Canada is back, bad news for Bayraktar. Hope they stocked up on the parts.
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Well I didn’t know it.
Idiots lost their biggest customer for flirs. Aselsan needs to speed up development on CATS and DASS. But I'm betting that ban will be overturned after a few months like last time.
Yeah it's on American drones also it's f.ing great. Best in the business.
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Well i actually thought this was widely known. There is actually no reason to ban this considering we arent violating international rules in any way or form, but even if it comes to that we have the technology to develop our own. Its just that purchasing a pre-existing one is more convenient and quicker.
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Honestly the ban is from October 2019 and still the Tb2 bayraktar was still used in spring shield and libya so I think they will find a solution
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It’s always so funny when I see some country putting an embargo on selling a certain military tech to us during some military operation and reason it with “human rights violations” or “fueling a military conflict” etc.
Like what do you expect bruh? You are selling military tech and shiet... not candies and flowers. Should we use the weapons for taking selfies with them for Instagram or fight a war with them?
Like what do you expect bruh? You are selling military tech and shiet... not candies and flowers. Should we use the weapons for taking selfies with them for Instagram or fight a war with them?
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my loved bros - here you see crusaders at it again -
the christo-fanatic alliance is ass-pulling out reasons again, although no form of international law has been broken - drone tech, designed for war, is used in a legally legitimate conflict - but since no Muslims are being massacred this time, the "Christo-Fascistoid-Western-Regime" is getting nervous...
it's just another big, cheap joke ...
and by now ALL OF YOU should have understood (I refer to PDF discussions) that turkey really MUST/HAS TO! produce everything independently and also independently in ALL AREAS, even down to the screw!
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Looks fake for a few reasons(not professional)-too sad for their credibility if its true:
The drones belong to the Azerbaijan and operated by them (at least on paper) - so they can limit further exports to the Azerbaijan but not to Turkey.
Turkish drones, parts exported to the for use in Turkish drones didn't take place in Karabakh operations- can be easily proven by serial numbers of parts used on drones they can if interest pay a visit and check serial numbers of all cameras on installed UAVs,
Azeri drones were exported along with permissions of foreign parts, i don't think we have rights to re-export without a permission they can again check serial numbers on Azeri drones.
Apart from these, they need strong evidence to limit exports to Azerbaijan, to conclude these drones particularly used against civilians.; again pretty easy to collect reliable evidence from the scene, bomb residues -wreckage CCTV records.
So leaves 2 options, either this is fake, or they truly believes those not-making sense statements by Armenians which Turkish drones are actively operated in the operations -statements by people who is literally delusional about Turkish F-16 and high rank Turkish military personnel in the front lines-, or Azerbaijani drones used against civilians -again comes without any proof-
In fact, if the latter comes out as true it means they were simply deceived by lobbying.
Allright it came out as true and we came to a moment where Armenia's statement are counted "True" without any further requirement of proof.
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They are crying , with their sensors Turkey killing people, what a stupid allegation it is. Are there not any source other than Canada, like Japan or any other country ?
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Azerbaijani President Aliyev: "If France thinks about Armenians so much and wants to establish a state for them, let Marseille city to Armenians. Many Armenians live in Marseille."
Aliyev is too angry!
Aliyev is too angry!
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- NK was Azerbaijani territory with Armenians having ethnic majority. Armenia invaded and commenced, ethnic cleansing and annexed. Not very different from what Russians did with Ukraine.
- To look it from an different angle, there are ethnic Turks living in all around Balkans. There are couple of Balkan Turks here in this forum too. Then Turkey can do the same with Balkans where ethnic Turks are majority of the population?
I mean source of the sensors origin , can't Turkey use Japanese sensors?
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BAYKAR: Small Company, Great Ambition-1 - Straturka
Turkey’s Indigenous Drone Manufacturers BAYKAR is one of two main Turkish drone manufacturing companies that supply the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) with Unmanned (Combat) Air Vehicles: UAV & UCAV. (Note: for simplicity we will use the terms UAV/UCAV and “drone” interchangeably) Its principal...
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BAYKAR did not use a domestically produced EO turret because a proper one was not available during TB2 design and development. The Aselsan ASELFLIR 300-T non-integrated turret used by T129 and ANKA was a readily available high-quality product, but with a total weight of almost 120Kg it was outside the technical envelope of the TB2.
However two next-generation EO turrets Aselsan DASS and Aselsan CATS are lightweight (under 59Kg each) falling within the TB2 technical envelope. Under development for high-end platforms (CATS will be used in AKSUNGUR), one of these technologically advanced turrets may make an excellent choice for an upgraded TB2, should an embargo force this issue.
Thus the proximate arrival of new advanced domestic EO turrets removes WESCAM MX-15D availability as an issue of practical concern. The high end Aselsan turrets may be expensive, but this is inline with the design philosophy of the TB2: a low cost platform with expensive high-end targeting capabilities.
For example:
Technical Specifications [DASS]
| Technical Specifications | Main Features | Applications |
| IR Camera Sensor Resolution: 1024x768 Wavelength: 3-5 µm (MWIR) Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal): 0.9°- 1.5° - 3° - 16° HDTV Camera Sensor Resolution: 1920 x 1080 Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal): 0.9°- 1.5° - 3° - 16° Laser Range Finder Wavelength: 1540 nm Range: 20 km Field of Regard (FOR) Azimuth: 360° Continuous Elevation: +20° to -120° Communication Interface MIL-STD-1553B, RS-422 Video Interface 2 x SMPTE-292M HD-SDI (1920x 1080p) 1 x PAL Power Interface 28 VDC Size Width: < 437 mm Height: < 520 mm Weight < 59 kg Temperature Operating : -40°C to +55°C | • High Performance Cooled IR Camera • Full HD Color Day TV Camera • Eye-Safe Laser Range Finder • Laser Spot Tracker (Optional) • SWIR Camera (Optional) • Spotter Camera (Optional) • Laser Target Designator (Optional) • Laser Pointer & Illuminator (Optional) • Low Light Camera (Optional) • SWIR Illuminator (Optional) • Compact and Lightweight Design • Single LRU System • Superior Range Performance • Advanced Image Processing • Multi Target Tracking • Accurate Target Geo-Location • Determination of Coarse and Speed of Moving Target • Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) • Gyroscopic Stabilization | Targeting Systems • Manned / Unmanned Air Vehicles • Border / Coast Security • Long Range Detection, Recognition & Identification |
Technical Specifications [CATS]
| Technical Specifications | Main Features | Applications |
| Primary Mirror Diameter 220 mm IR Camera Sensor Resolution: 640x512 Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal): 0.5°-0.9°-3.2°-30° Wavelength: MWIR HDTV Camera Sensor Resolution: 1920x1080 Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal): 0.5°-0.9°-3.2°-30° LL-NIR Camera Sensor Resolution: 640x480 Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal): 0.5°-0.9°-3.2°-30° Field of Regard (FOR) Azimuth : 360° continuous Elevation: +20° to -120° Laser Range Finder and Target Designator Laser type: Diode pumped ND:YAG Wavelength: 1064 nm Range: up to 30 km Repetition Range: up to 20 Hz Coding : STANAG 3733 Band I & II Laser Pointer and Iluminator Laser Pointer: Wavelength: NIR (Compatible with NVGs) Laser Iluminator: Wavelength: NIR (Compatible with LL-NIR Camera) Communication Interface RS-422, MIL-STD-1553B Video Interface 4x SMPTE-292M HD-SDI (1920x1080p) 2x PAL Power Interface 28 VDC Size Width: 437 mm Height: 519.5 mm (Forward position) Weight ≤ 59 kg Temperature Operating : -54°C to +50°C Storage : -55°C to +70°C | Common Aperture with Diameter of 220 mm • Very Large Aperture for Narrow FOVs and Very Narrow FOVs of IR, HDTV and LL-NIR Cameras • Larger Aperture Means More Light and Therefore Better Image Quality and Better Range • Compact and Light-Weight System • Single-LRU System • Superior Range Performance • High Performance IR Camera • True Full High Definition (1920x1080) HDTV Camera • Low Light Near Infrared (LL-NIR) Camera • Common FOVs for IR, HDTV and LL-NIR Cameras • Laser Range Finder and Target Designator • Laser Pointer and Illuminator • All-Digital Video Pipeline • Advanced Image Processing • Multi Target Tracking • Accurate Target Geo-Location • Determination of Coarse and Speed of Moving Target • Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) • Accurate Stabilization • Automatic Alignment with Platform • Operation in Very Low Temperatures in High Altitudes | Targeting • Reconnaissance and Surveillance |
since Japan put an embargo on AZ after 1992 - we can't buy tech. to supply AZ (that is why there was no ALTAY deal)
but anyway - it seems like we don't need western tech. anymore... aksungur and akinci already flying... look at the article I posted above
the used sensor origin is Canada, I guess the mentioned "WESCAM MX-15D "
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Yup I gave warning on it last few days, the Armenian lobby is quite strong in Canada (probably 3rd strongest after US and France)...and also NDP party (which always take up these issues the most to virtue signal) is significant power control w.r.t liberal minority govt right now.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
I didn't know that memes weren't allowed in "serious threads" until he said so in this thread.
There's certainly no such rule in the official forum rules. So I asked him how we differentiate a "serious thread" from a "non-serious thread" and suggested he adds this information to the official forum rules.
I honestly thought it was a positive contribution on my part.
His response was to tell me not to "test his patience and follow the rules".
Go figure.
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This should not be worrying since Canada has been doing it in April and it did not affect the Libya campaign so I think turkey has enough WESCAM sensors in stocking
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Negotiations underway with Israel over the suspension of arms shipments to Azerbaijan in light of battles in NKR. Estimated that within 2-3 days Israel would stop supplying weapons to AZ.
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It’s always so funny when I see some country putting an embargo on selling a certain military tech to us during some military operation and reason it with “human rights violations” or “fueling a military conflict” etc.
Like what do you expect bruh? You are selling military tech and shiet... not candies and flowers. Should we use the weapons for taking selfies with them for Instagram or fight a war with them?
Actually I mentioned this phenomenon in another thread earlier:
Rheinmetall releases new video of Lynx KF41 fighting vehicle
ByDylan Malyasov Sep 24, 2020 Modified date: 2 hours ago On Thursday, German defense conglomerate Rheinmetall has released its new official video showing a Lynx KF41 infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) during her test at NATO Excercise Brave Warrior in Hungary. Rheinmetall posted the video show...
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In my estimation regarding NATO/West....there are only 2 reliable partners (US, France) to give you the tech reliably without the virtue signalling guilt complex blah blah stuff....esp given the tech they have given to some countries engaged in constant war.
These two will of course potentially cut the flow for political reasons that can crop up (and you guys all know this recently w.r.t Turkey)....but it wont be some BS excuse about "being used for actual war and you are killing enemies??? waaah!"
Rest you have to be very careful with in West, esp Germany, Nordics and Canada. Too much peace love dope mindset...some think the maple leaf on flag should be another kind of leaf heh.
