Azerbaijan Armenia Tensions

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1327014070604673033

 

[guest_07]

Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
& Good day to the rest

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326837039849943041

 

[Ryder]

Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
& Good day to the rest

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326837039849943041

Sunni Azerbaijanis and Shia Azerbaijanis working together in the liberation of their lands.

Saudi Arabia and Iran take note. Muslims regardless of Sunni or Shia are sick of your sectratarian politics and the funding of terrorist extremist groups.

 

[Asena_great]

Armenians burn houses in Kalbajar region before handing it to Azerbaijan.

look here i had 2 house and turks burn it to the ground

 

[Ryder]

look here i had 2 house and turks burn it to the ground

What goes around comes around they made 1 million Azerbaijanis become refugees now the same is happening to them.

Good riddance I feel no sympathy at all im laughing

If they are going to laugh at us will laugh at them.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326931573237821441

they still have those tanks.....

Ah how sad that the criminal occupier is being forced to leave. How sad....

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1327051813258997766

 

[guest_07]

Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
& Good day to the rest

The daily quoted Ruslan Pukhov,
the director of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies,
a Russian defence think-tank, as saying,

“The geopolitical consequences are disastrous not only for Armenia,
but also for Russia.”

"The Russians' client and ally was the loser.
The Turkish ally won convincingly,” he added.

Pukhov added,
“Behind the thin veil of a deceptive foreign policy triumph,
namely successful mediation and bringing peacekeepers to the region,

the harsh reality is that Moscow’s influence in the trans-Caucasus region has sharply decreased,
while the prestige of a successful and pugnacious Turkey, on the contrary, has grown incredibly.”

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/azerbaijan...se-fire-cements-turkey-role-in-region/2042022

 

[Saithan]

look here i had 2 house and turks burn it to the ground

0:27 "Burned to the ground" they haven't left the land and the lies are already beginning to pile up.

I recommend several foreign countries and reporters be invited to go through the villages and do video documentary. Africa, Asian, S. American, some EU countries.

0:57 "Execute prisoners"....

 

[Saithan]

Here's the thing.

It is not possible to mend ties in the short run. Nearly 30 years have gone since Azerbaycan experienced the pain of Karagh, So we should expect at least twice that before things could become normal.

This also requires Armenia to become a normal nation and not indoctrinate the generations to come with hatred.

I do not think it's possible, not for Armenians and not as long as they are geopolitical tool. Turkey should make a custom union with Armenia like how EU has with us, and we should slowly but steadily exert positive influence.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Here's the thing.

It is not possible to mend ties in the short run. Nearly 30 years have gone since Azerbaycan experienced the pain of Karagh, So we should expect at least twice that before things could become normal.

This also requires Armenia to become a normal nation and not indoctrinate the generations to come with hatred.

I do not think it's possible, not for Armenians and not as long as they are geopolitical tool. Turkey should make a custom union with Armenia like how EU has with us, and we should slowly but steadily exert positive influence.

Its best to treat them the way the Russians do. Put them in a position where they can constantly be used and abused. The Russians have done this exceptionally well and the Armenians regionally and globally never say a bad word about Russia. Meanwhile the Turks treated them like respected citizens for close to a thousand years and look how they behave.

 

[Ryder]

Its best to treat them the way the Russians do. Put them in a position where they can constantly be used and abused. The Russians have done this exceptionally well and the Armenians regionally and globally never say a bad word about Russia. Meanwhile the Turks treated them like respected citizens for close to a thousand years and look how they behave.

Too bad we did not kick them out once we conquered Anatolia.

 

[guest_07]

Too bad we did not kick them out once we conquered Anatolia.

Next time, they behave badly,
please kick them "properly".

 

[x_TC_x]

If Turkey didn't help they wouldn't had been come anywhere near this by themselves.

....you do realise they would 'only' buy more from Israel?

Yes mixed.

Good performances of special forces and drone operators,but poor performances of other conventional forces. Frontal attacks in open fields,many convoys annihilated/ambushed due to lack of air support,reconnaissance,entire group of soldiers sent to their death without any kind of support,lack of effective and combined arms operations.... I could go on.

The main focus of operation was the south,a mostly flat terrain where the Armenians,harassed by drones could hardly hold their positions (They did quite well despite the odds) when reinforcements and supplies were systematically targeted by drones. Azeri forces were bogged down in the north and majority of their assaults thwarted,but the terrain isn't similar though.

Azerbaijan had superiority in every fields and what reduced Armenia's war potential is the drones due to a total control of the air and lack of effective (or used effectively) air defences.

The drones supplied by Israel and Turkey took a great part in your "decisive victory". Otherwise the course of the war could have been even worse for your country.

That's quite a widespread opinion in the West, but nothing is making it 'correct', because the available evidence is explaining a completely different story. Actually,it's amazing how many are deceiving themselves, and how many are entirely unable to analyse this war.

The Armenians built their 'Maginot/Hinderburg Line': a belt of in-depth defences behind which they thought they would be safe. And yes, they were relatively safe: they fortified every dominating peak, each with all-round defences. Because the front of this defence line consisted of 2-5km deep minefields, their strongholds could only get hit by artillery; rarely by direct fire. From these strongholds, Armenians could not only see, but also take under fire Azeri troops as these were still moving into their starting positions, not to talk about approaching Armenian minefields. They could also call-in artillery strikes and guide these precisely. This is why the Azeris suffered most of their losses in tanks.

However, right from the start, Azeris didn't even try a 'frontal attack': instead, they were saturating Armenian strongholds with artilley barrages, while infiltrating the frontline and then searching to encircle, isolate and destroy the strongholds. Was costly because they couldn't cover every such effort with UAVs, 24/7: some of involved units run into ambushes while manoeuvring within and behind the Armenian strongholds, others got hit by flanking counterattacks etc.

Then, once specific strongholds were taken, the Armenian defence line was breached and the Azeris followed-up with mechanised forces to mop-up and secure. This exercise was repeated until they punched all the way through, some 5km, in certain places up to 10km deep.

Armenians then did a mistake at operational level: they were so convinced the Azeris couldn't get through their Maginot/Hinderburg Line, they were shocked when Azeris breached the line in the south - and then failed to establish a new defence line once the south was breached. On the contrary, they launched a counterattack south of Hadrut, which the Azeris smashed. Instead of at least trying to establish a new frontline protecting Hadrut, the Armenians then lost the control: when Azeris infiltrated Hadrut, they run away, enabling Azeris to penetrate the hilly centre of their southern deployment.

Then the Azeris prompted the Armenians into another mistake: they drove west to the Armenian border, and then north to Lachin. The Armenians panicked and reinforced Lachin. Instead of 'frontal attack' on Lachin, the Azeris made a 'step back', re-shuffled their units and launched multiple infiltrations of the Shusha area. Instead of taking the situation seriously, they declared Azeri infiltrations for 'small gangs of saboteurs' and while rushing an entire division to the NKR, deployed the same to reinforce their Maginot/Hinderburg Line - only to have that division smashed by UAVs.

...while Azeris finished their business by taking Susha, threatening Stepanakert/Khankendi and threatening to cut off all the top Armenian units still holding the defence belt in the east.

Now, if anybody feels better by acting that way, call this a 'poor performance of conventional forces' and whatever else. Remain amazed with UAVs and SOFs. But, no UAVs and no SOF could've replaced a wholesale failure of conventional troops - provided there was any. Actually, the Azeris outmanoeuvred the Armenians at operational level, and they outmanoeuvred them at tactical level. Neither is possible with troops 'performing poorly' - especially not in the local terrain.

 

[Asena_great]

Here's the thing.

It is not possible to mend ties in the short run. Nearly 30 years have gone since Azerbaycan experienced the pain of Karagh, So we should expect at least twice that before things could become normal.

This also requires Armenia to become a normal nation and not indoctrinate the generations to come with hatred.

I do not think it's possible, not for Armenians and not as long as they are geopolitical tool. Turkey should make a custom union with Armenia like how EU has with us, and we should slowly but steadily exert positive influence.alili

no it wont help us a bit if u saw the khojaly videos i have uploaded u must understand that co-existing is impossible they never stop their aggression against our people the worst part is this time they will have Azerbaijani passport to do so i rather see either they fuly leave karabag or keep it and give the southren armenia in both case the borders should remain closed

at 10.49 there is a guy who lived and work in istanbul for 3 years and yet he hate us . if we want peace then we should not let them in our country

 

[CAN_TR]

There are roughly 100.000 illegal Armenians in Turkey, they should be deported back to Armenia.

 

[Saithan]

Only illegal ones.

I'd allow the girls to stay and work in red light district. Biggest bordello is managed by an old Armenian lady anyway

 

[Ryder]

Armenians have no rights to Live in Turkey.

Our founder Ataturk even said the armenians have no right to live in this land as the land belongs to you Turks.

This quote makes a lot of liberal Turks heads blow off. Liberals like Elif Shafak have a habit of sucking armenians off to get their approval.

 

[AzeriTank]

Yes mixed.

Good performances of special forces and drone operators,but poor performances of other conventional forces. Frontal attacks in open fields,many convoys annihilated/ambushed due to lack of air support,reconnaissance,entire group of soldiers sent to their death without any kind of support,lack of effective and combined arms operations.... I could go on.

The main focus of operation was the south,a mostly flat terrain where the Armenians,harassed by drones could hardly hold their positions (They did quite well despite the odds) when reinforcements and supplies were systematically targeted by drones. Azeri forces were bogged down in the north and majority of their assaults thwarted,but the terrain isn't similar though.

Azerbaijan had superiority in every fields and what reduced Armenia's war potential is the drones due to a total control of the air and lack of effective (or used effectively) air defences.

The drones supplied by Israel and Turkey took a great part in your "decisive victory". Otherwise the course of the war could have been even worse for your country.

Shusha fight had no drones, just watch ANNA news, today they uploaded wideo from Shusha fight. no artillery, no drones, foggy weather.

French news said that most of dead Armenian soldiers were with pistol and knife wounds.

 

[Saithan]

Shusha fight had no drones, just watch ANNA news, today they uploaded wideo from Shusha fight. no artillery, no drones, foggy weather.

French news said that most of dead Armenian soldiers were with pistol and knife wounds.

Yes, the tale of how 22 SF (I read on twitter) made a Legend.