TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Sanchez]

They've been working on this for the last 2 or so years. Acquiring AEI was a part of it as well. Factory was in the works for some time. Vehicles have UK powerpacks and turrets will probably UK too, so limited Turkish involvement, but hopefully a great prestige win for Nurol. If they win it, it will be their 3rd NATO export customer after Hungary and Estonia.

Gotta say, they really read the internal dynamics correctly there. They used the correct branding, got local political support from West Midlands mps, trusted local names for managers and amplified the "creating local jobs" part.

As it's lacking, gonna try to add some context. UK currently have multiple programs to replace its current armored vehicles. Up to 5 to 8 thousand vehicles from UGVs to 40 ton AFVs are expected to be ordered. NMS-L(Light Protected Mobility) And Ejder/Dragon(Medium Protected Mobility Vehicle) are vying for medium class vehicles with multiple variants on offer. Nurol also showcased their Dragon Ambulance version, designed by a UK firm this week. Nothing is clear yet, as the new Labour government is initiated a strategic review and program won't go forward until the white paper is released.

DVD 2024 - Nurol Makina UK expands horizon with three new UK products and factory - EDR Magazine

Nurol Makina UK has made a strong stand at the Defence Vehicle Dynamics (DVD) 2024 event that started on the 18th September in the UK.

www.edrmagazine.eu

British Army mobility programmes - a strategy to replace legacy equipment

The British Army intends to embark on a number of procurement programmes in the mobility sector, which include the Light Tactical Mobility Platform (LTMP) Light and the LTMP Medium.

euro-sd.com

As the programs are huge multiple contenders from all over the world are expected to join. I'm actually surprised Otokar and even BMC didn't show interest. I'm of course not including FNSS as their parent company Nurol looks at European market.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787485503618453605

 

[Saithan]

They've been working on this for the last 2 or so years. Acquiring AEI was a part of it as well. Factory was in the works for some time. Vehicles have UK powerpacks and turrets will probably UK too, so limited Turkish involvement, but hopefully a great prestige win for Nurol. If they win it, it will be their 3rd NATO export customer after Hungary and Estonia.

Gotta say, they really read the internal dynamics correctly there. They used the correct branding, got local political support from West Midlands mps, trusted local names for managers and amplified the "creating local jobs" part.

As it's lacking, gonna try to add some context. UK currently have multiple programs to replace its current armored vehicles. Up to 5 to 8 thousand vehicles from UGVs to 40 ton AFVs are expected to be ordered. NMS-L(Light Protected Mobility) And Ejder/Dragon(Medium Protected Mobility Vehicle) are vying for medium class vehicles with multiple variants on offer. Nurol also showcased their Dragon Ambulance version, designed by a UK firm this week. Nothing is clear yet, as the new Labour government is initiated a strategic review and program won't go forward until the white paper is released.

DVD 2024 - Nurol Makina UK expands horizon with three new UK products and factory - EDR Magazine

Nurol Makina UK has made a strong stand at the Defence Vehicle Dynamics (DVD) 2024 event that started on the 18th September in the UK.

www.edrmagazine.eu

British Army mobility programmes - a strategy to replace legacy equipment

The British Army intends to embark on a number of procurement programmes in the mobility sector, which include the Light Tactical Mobility Platform (LTMP) Light and the LTMP Medium.

euro-sd.com

As the programs are huge multiple contenders from all over the world are expected to join. I'm actually surprised Otokar and even BMC didn't show interest. I'm of course not including FNSS as their parent company Nurol looks at European market.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787485503618453605

But do you think that there will be an opportunity to add some stuff that are produced in Türkiye to the delivery. Granted it lives up to the quality standards and such.

IMO that would be a real win-win situation. Otherwise it'll be a company in UK that can at any given time be nationalized or politically forced to change hands to UK.

Also I consider that there might be some Turks in UK that might be interested in working in the sector that could get employed

 

[Saithan]

Indonesia seeks to purchase Turkish warships, submarines - Türkiye News

The Indonesian navy commander has expressed intention to procure additional warships from Türkiye, with proposals for submarines also on the table with Ankara.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Uh... did we sell off any of our vessels being built ? FFBNW being redirected to export.... Is that possible ? Delivery timeline being 25-26 is a wee bit close imo....

 

[Sanchez]

Indonesia seeks to purchase Turkish warships, submarines - Türkiye News

The Indonesian navy commander has expressed intention to procure additional warships from Türkiye, with proposals for submarines also on the table with Ankara.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Uh... did we sell off any of our vessels being built ? FFBNW being redirected to export.... Is that possible ? Delivery timeline being 25-26 is a wee bit close imo....

Maybe first Hisars being soldto Indonesia is a possibility.

 

[Saithan]

Maybe first Hisars being soldto Indonesia is a possibility.

I was actually thinking that could be the reason for making the FFBNW vessels in the first place. I was thinking it was like a LEGO OPV/Naval vessel made ready, not a bad strategy for export tbh, and the friendly countries would not have to wait for too long. However the export permit for the engines would and will always be a hindrance.

Could it be that when order is received we get the export permit for engines in 1 year or less and spend 1 year to refurbish it to what the customer wants ?

 

[Sanchez]

I was actually thinking that could be the reason for making the FFBNW vessels in the first place. I was thinking it was like a LEGO OPV/Naval vessel made ready, not a bad strategy for export tbh, and the friendly countries would not have to wait for too long. However the export permit for the engines would and will always be a hindrance.

Could it be that when order is received we get the export permit for engines in 1 year or less and spend 1 year to refurbish it to what the customer wants ?

I don't think the FFBNW setup of Hisars(with SAMs, ASMs) is that different than what the Hisars we will mostly operate will carry to be honest. We are already building 8 Istifs. I don't think the navy is interested in a slower Istif with worse radar to make up numbers. Hisars will still mostly be OPVs and not light frigates. Maybe 1-2 full ships to test the load and offer it for export.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Gürcan Bey at it again. Truly a hero of the republic. I'm still butthurt about the whole SAGE ordeal.

 

[UkroTurk]

Assan is producing 84mm recoiles gun however Turkish army hasn't purchased.

GÜRCAN OKUMUŞ: ASSAN savunmada seri üretimin merkezi olacak

ASSAN Group Savunma Genel Müdürü Gürcan Okumuş, şirketin seri üretim altyapıları ve ileriye dönük hedeflerine ilişkin sorularımızı yanıtladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Afif]

https://dgdp.gov.bd/tender_file/tender_notice20241001143515.pdf

I am guessing Aselsan would like to participate with its STR-700G.

Chinese will likely offer GaN based SLC-2E. As BD army already operates four eariler SLC-2.

Thales could also join in and offer GM200 MM/C, as they recently sold two GM403 to BD.

Personally I would prefer Western solutions as they will be easier to integrate.

 

[Sanchez]

ASELSAN has signed export contracts with a total value of 26.2 Million USD for the end use of its customers in Asia and the Pacific regions for the sale of payloads for naval platforms including radar, friend-or-foe recognition, electronic warfare suite, remote-controlled weapon, submarine torpedo countermeasure, electro-optical and firing location detection systems.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841816970989089222

Another surface ship subsystem job? Lovely. No mention of CIWS so doubt it's for Jose Rizals of Filipinos. Possibly Indonesia?

 

[Enderun]

I have already shared this short article, which I think is relevant to our topic, on Twitter, albeit in Turkish, and I am leaving the English version here.
Below are the steps that can be taken to increase the export figures of the Turkish defence industry, point by point.

1 - Increasing investment in research and development (R&D): In order to develop advanced technologies and innovative products, more funds should be allocated to R&D. ‘Unfortunately, funds are not allocated to the desired extent. ‘Unfortunately, the funds are not allocated to the desired extent.
2 - International marketing strategies: Effective advertising and marketing campaigns should be carried out in the target markets. Participation in defence industry trade fairs and events should be increased. ‘Lack of well-equipped professionals who speak foreign languages like native speakers in this field.
3 - Direct distribution agreements between states: Increase the state-to-state ratio in B2B sales with the countries and governments we cross. To this end, strong lobbying activities should be carried out and the number of visits increased.
4 - Quality and certification: By spreading international quality production at the grassroots level, production should be carried out in accordance with high standards and the necessary certification processes should be completed.
5 - Increasing domestic production capacity: Domestic production capacity and the supply chain should be strengthened to support exports. There is a serious problem in this regard, namely the lack of funding. Companies should be supported financially through the provision of export credits and incentives.
6 - Customer support and training services: Customer satisfaction should be ensured by providing technical support and training services for exported products.
7 - Market diversification: New markets should be developed by conducting market research for different geographical regions. Our embassies and consulates have a lot of work to do.
8 - One of the most urgent needs is to establish a bank to provide financing loans for the defence industry to sell our products to other countries. Thank you for reading.

 

[somegoodusername]

Does anyone have a good guess about what our defense exports will amount to by the end of 2024? Last year, it was 5.5 billion dollars, and 4.3 billion dollars in 2022. The target is 10 billion dollars, but it seems like we are not going to achieve that target this year either.

 

[Anmdt]

Another surface ship subsystem job? Lovely. No mention of CIWS so doubt it's for Jose Rizals of Filipinos. Possibly Indonesia?

Firing location detection system on a naval platform? Sounds a little strange to me and possible not referring to acoustic gunshot detection but something else-like part of the EO Director or AKR-D.

Should be the modernization program for 41 ships that mentioned earlier, and that program was broken down among certain shipyards so likely Aselsan is getting a separate contract with each. There has been another "contract" from Asia-pacific region in the last months.

 

[Sanchez]

Firing location detection system on a naval platform? Sounds a little strange to me and possible not referring to acoustic gunshot detection but something else-like part of the EO Director or AKR-D.

Should be the modernization program for 41 ships that mentioned earlier, and that program was broken down among certain shipyards so likely Aselsan is getting a separate contract with each. There has been another "contract" from Asia-pacific region in the last months.

Maybe a land component for something, I don't know. Other articles directly lead to a naval platform and they do say so. Maybe a shot detector for riverine patrol boats? Just guessing.

 

[Iskander]

Does anyone have a good guess about what our defense exports will amount to by the end of 2024? Last year, it was 5.5 billion dollars, and 4.3 billion dollars in 2022. The target is 10 billion dollars, but it seems like we are not going to achieve that target this year either.

“Turkey's defense and aerospace exports reached a record monthly level of $876 million in May...
...In January-May 2024, exports of the Turkish defense and aerospace industry increased by 9% compared to the same period last year and amounted to $2.21 billion."

For August - $800 million.

The 2024 target ($7 billion) can be achieved.

https://военное.рф/2024/%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F22/#:~:text=%D0%92%20%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%E2%80%93%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B5%202024%20%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0,21%20%D0%BC%D0%BB%D1%80%D0%B4%20%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%2C%20%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BB%20%D0%93%D1%91%D1%80%D0%B3%D1%8E%D0%BD.

 

[somegoodusername]

The 2024 target ($7 billion)

2024 target was 10 billion dollars. Same as the many years before.

 

[MhhJA]

Does anyone have a good guess about what our defense exports will amount to by the end of 2024? Last year, it was 5.5 billion dollars, and 4.3 billion dollars in 2022. The target is 10 billion dollars, but it seems like we are not going to achieve that target this year either.

Probably something between 6-8 billion dollars.

 

[Huelague]

2024 target was 10 billion dollars. Same as the many years before.

We could archive 10$ billion, problem are the embargo.

 

[Sanchez]

More details about Otokar's 4x4 bid to Romania.

Max weight of the vehicle will be no more than 10.400kg(at least for some variants or all) and 278 vehicles are to be delivered within 1 year after contract signed.

Very competitive tender, no wonder why no one else but Otokar made a bid. Cobra II also falls to the heavy side, so we may see Urals and even Cobra Is being part of the package.

It would be very interesting if they revived the old AM General Cobra design from 10+ years ago.

And finally, Otokar announced to KAP that they've won the Romanian 4x4 tender. 32 billion liras or 932 million dollars.

"Following the completion of the technical evaluation, field tests and commercial evaluation processes, the official invitation letter for contract negotiations was sent to our company by the tender authority.

The tender worth RON 4,263,286,655.66 (Romanian Lei) includes a total of 1059 4x4 Tactical Wheeled Light Armored Vehicles, of which the first 278 units will be produced at Otokar facilities and the remaining part will be produced in Romania in a structure to be determined in the future, and some integrated logistics support services."

KAP

Kamuyu Aydınlatma Platformu

www.kap.org.tr

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

And finally, Otokar announced to KAP that they've won the Romanian 4x4 tender. 32 billion liras or 932 million dollars.

"Following the completion of the technical evaluation, field tests and commercial evaluation processes, the official invitation letter for contract negotiations was sent to our company by the tender authority.

The tender worth RON 4,263,286,655.66 (Romanian Lei) includes a total of 1059 4x4 Tactical Wheeled Light Armored Vehicles, of which the first 278 units will be produced at Otokar facilities and the remaining part will be produced in Romania in a structure to be determined in the future, and some integrated logistics support services."

KAP

Kamuyu Aydınlatma Platformu

www.kap.org.tr

Are we selling them to cheap or something? If the usa would sell 1059 Armored Vehicles they'd charge an arm, leg and other parts of that Country...

And building 781 Vehicles in Romania is cringe as well.