TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Rooxbar]

Business is business. Anything else, is anything else.

Business is politics. Everything is politics.

 

[Huelague]

Business is politics. Everything is politics.

Yes and no. We have some good economical relations despite bad political relation.

 

[Sanchez]

Speaking of Argentina, they've been using Aselsan's İhasavar anti drone devices with their armored units. That is an Austrian SK-105, very interesting photo.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841212766494859433

 

[what]

I think the plant in Romania will be smart business. As you know, France for example is blocking non EU products from being acquired for Ukraine with the EU funds among other things. What I'm trying to say is this will be a backdoor into many European projects and funds.

Kudos to Otokar.

 

[Saithan]

I sincerely hope that these production facilities can be used to employ smart people that could contribute to our defense sector development.

 

[Scott Summers]

Otokar confirms sale of 1,059 COBRA II armored vehicles to Romania

Turkish media cited local defense company Otokar as announcing that it had won a tender in Romania for the supply 1,059 COBRA II wheeled armored vehicles.

bulgarianmilitary.com

 

[Isbara]

Speaking of Argentina, they've been using Aselsan's İhasavar anti drone devices with their armored units. That is an Austrian SK-105, very interesting photo.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841212766494859433

Is that AMX-13 ?

 

[Radonsider]

Is that AMX-13 ?

SK-105

 

[Sanchez]

Interesting news. Niger is reportedly planning to buy Karayel-SU. They also operate TB2. Per the claim they wanted more TB2s but didn't like Baykar's "overcharged" offer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844368448991920290

 

[Zafer]

Interesting news. Niger is reportedly planning to buy Karayel-SU. They also operate TB2. Per the claim they wanted more TB2s but didn't like Baykar's "overcharged" offer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844368448991920290

They probably wanted to buy at the price level of their previous order and didn't take dollar inflation into account. Karayel is different and it will be a logistical nightmare for Niger down the road.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Interesting news. Niger is reportedly planning to buy Karayel-SU. They also operate TB2. Per the claim they wanted more TB2s but didn't like Baykar's "overcharged" offer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844368448991920290

I'm glad that Karayel got this opportunity since its only export so far was to Saudi Arabia.
Vestel Savunma (now Lentatek) has worked long years on this financing it itself and went through many prototypes and modifications before or at the same time frame where the Caldiran (TB-2s forefather) was being developed by Baykar.

 

[somegoodusername]

Karayel is different and it will be a logistical nightmare for Niger down the road.

100-horsepower propeller-driven aircraft don’t become a logistical nightmare. That’s why the TB-2 became so popular in Africa. Jet aircraft require a higher level of maintenance capabilities, but you can maintain small propeller-driven aircraft with just some university students.

 

[Zafer]

100-horsepower propeller-driven aircraft don’t become a logistical nightmare. That’s why the TB-2 became so popular in Africa. Jet aircraft require a higher level of maintenance capabilities, but you can maintain small propeller-driven aircraft with just some university students.

Having two different aircraft with different parts will make complications compared to having just one.

 

[somegoodusername]

Having two different aircraft with different parts will make complications compared to having just one.

Yes, but it's not a significant burden. It’s acceptable if other factors suggest that buying another aircraft is the better option. This UCAV's are very simple platforms, and complicated parts are most likely similar ASELSAN products.

 

[Heartbang]

Yes, but it's not a significant burden. It’s acceptable if other factors suggest that buying another aircraft is the better option. This UCAV's are very simple platforms, and complicated parts are most likely similar ASELSAN products.

Also, iirc, Karayel uses the same Rotax engine that's been used in TB-2. That's a big chunk of the logistics kerfuffle taken care of.

 

[Zafer]

Also, iirc, Karayel uses the same Rotax engine that's been used in TB-2. That's a big chunk of the logistics kerfuffle taken care of.

If they have not changed to Rotax recently Karayel used some other engine, iirc Continental, and it was 80hp not 100, hence the 120 kg payload rather than the 150kg TB2 carries. There is no mention of an engine in Lentatek website, so 80hp it is.

 

[Tornadoss]

Yes, but it's not a significant burden. It’s acceptable if other factors suggest that buying another aircraft is the better option. This UCAV's are very simple platforms, and complicated parts are most likely similar ASELSAN products.

Zafer is just salty because they went for Karayel instead of TB-2.

 

[Saithan]

That is so true, Karayel didn't marry someones daughter

But I'm super psyked to hear this, maybe RTE will interfere and Baykar will reduce price to avoid Karayel getting the contract.

 

[Zafer]

Niger is using competition as a bargaining chip but they know very well that they are to be the first one to go that path, Saudi Arabia walked that path backwards. Looking at Lentatek website you can easily tell that Karayel is not well developed, standard features on TB2 are yet to be developed by Lentatek. It is like getting off a horse to ride a donkey, this is an obvious reality.

 

[Sanchez]

It is like getting off a horse to ride a donkey

Niger needs all the donkeys they can get, they are losing. TB2 is hardly a racing horse to be honest. That's why it's valuable. I'm more interested in its camera load, doubt it can accommodate CATS.