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It seems that Ozgür 2 is indeed not stalled and even ahead of expectations. According to Ahmet Akyol's statement Murad AESA radar has succesfully conducted air to air test fire on F-16(no date given).

 

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It seems that Ozgür 2 is indeed not stalled and even ahead of expectations. According to Ahmet Akyol's statement Murad AESA radar has succesfully conducted air to air test fire on F-16(no date given).

Özgür 2 is not just Murad. It's one big part of it. But the road ahead ahead is much complicated. There was nothing to suggest that it was stalled, it's a very comprehensive upgrade package.
 

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It seems that Ozgür 2 is indeed not stalled and even ahead of expectations. According to Ahmet Akyol's statement Murad AESA radar has succesfully conducted air to air test fire on F-16(no date given).

Sünnetçi on the event:

"I had the opportunity to learn about this firing, which took place in the second half of October, during the last week of October. This successful firing, in which a domestically developed air-to-air missile was guided by a domestic AESA radar and accurately directed to its target from an aircraft equipped with a national mission system and software, is of great importance both in terms of demonstrating the level reached by the Turkish Defense Industry and as a significant milestone in terms of the tremendous capability that will be added to the Turkish Air Force's F-16 aircraft in the near future.

The medium-range GÖKDOĞAN air-to-air missile, developed under the leadership of TÜBİTAK SAGE, was used in the firing. According to the information I have obtained, although the missile did not reach its maximum range, the target (high-speed target aircraft) detected and tracked by the MURAD-100A AESA radar was successfully hit from a considerable distance. The GÖKDOĞAN missile was successfully guided to the target detected by the MURAD-100A AESA radar and scored a direct hit on the target. For the GÖKDOĞAN BVRAAM missile to be used effectively at beyond-visual-range distances, full integration with the aircraft's Fire Control Radar and mid-course guidance support are required.

As part of the ÖZGÜR Avionics Modernization Project, the final phase, Phase IV, includes the integration of the Moving Map, Data Link, and Air-to-Air/Air-to-Ground Weapon Integration systems. This ensures the full integration of GÖKDOĞAN into the aircraft, enabling the missile to be used at maximum range and maximum effectiveness. Turkish Air Force sources were very satisfied with the performance demonstrated in tests by the X-Band MURAD-100 AESA Fire Control Radar, which has GaN-based Receiver/Transmitter Modules, despite not being used at full performance level in live-fire tests. For the MURAD-100 AESA Radar to be used at full performance, the aircraft's electrical and cooling power, as well as the mission computer (in terms of processing capacity), must have sufficient capacity.

On behalf of the Defense Industries Presidency, TÜBİTAK SAGE developed Turkey's first active radar-guided beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile, GÖKDOĞAN, under the GÖKTUĞ Project in line with the needs of the Turkish Air Force. (RF) guided beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile, GÖKDOĞAN, was successfully conducted in late October 2021 from an F-16C aircraft belonging to the 401st Test Squadron Command. As part of the test campaign, live-fire tests are expected to be conducted on the AKINCI UAV in the coming days using the MURAD-100A AESA Radar. The MURAD-100A AESA Radar was integrated into the AKINCI UAV with tail number PT-3, and its first flight was announced on March 1, 2025, following ground tests. On March 13, 2025, it was announced that during the second flight conducted with the AKINCI UAV, the MURAD Radar had achieved its first air-to-air radar lock."

 

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Come December, they'll deliver 3 and have fanfare for that and pat themselves on the back. Shite like this is why I can't take their words seriously anymore, I hoped it would end when Temel Kotil left but nothing changed.
Per what's available, they didn't deliver any so far.
 

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Turkiye needs to start placing certain restrictions on equipment on these useless countries that cant even get security right.

Isis terrorists destroy a Hurkus plane. For isis pricks to even get inside the airport is more than embarassing. Where the hell is the security man
 

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Turkiye needs to start placing certain restrictions on equipment on these useless countries that cant even get security right.

Isis terrorists destroy a Hurkus plane. For isis pricks to even get inside the airport is more than embarassing. Where the hell is the security man


thats not hurkus, hurkus have single engine and that thing have left and right engine.
 

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Turkiye needs to start placing certain restrictions on equipment on these useless countries that cant even get security right.

Isis terrorists destroy a Hurkus plane. For isis pricks to even get inside the airport is more than embarassing. Where the hell is the security man
My friend, we are not responsible for the plane being blown up on the ground. Why did you react this way?
 

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My friend, we are not responsible for the plane being blown up on the ground. Why did you react this way?

It sucks thats all eventhough Turkiye had nothing to do with it. But seeing those terrorists just roam around destroy military equipment in a airport or airbase is just embarassing.
 

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It was announced that in 2025, the F-16 ÖZGÜR aircraft successfully launched the GÖKDOĞAN missile at an air target for the first time using AESA nose radar and data link guidance.

So our Ozgur-2 project is becoming more than just being on paper. But finding life in real time.
This coincides well with the given timeline that the 30+ Block 30 F16 planes will be delivered to TurAF between 2025 and 2027. Block 40 and 50 planes will go through Ozgur-2 modernisation between 2028 to 2030.
 

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It was announced that in 2025, the F-16 ÖZGÜR aircraft successfully launched the GÖKDOĞAN missile at an air target for the first time using AESA nose radar and data link guidance.

So our Ozgur-2 project is becoming more than just being on paper. But finding life in real time.
This coincides well with the given timeline that the 30+ Block 30 F16 planes will be delivered to TurAF between 2025 and 2027. Block 40 and 50 planes will go through Ozgur-2 modernisation between 2028 to 2030.
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It seems that Ozgür 2 is indeed not stalled and even ahead of expectations. According to Ahmet Akyol's statement Murad AESA radar has succesfully conducted air to air test fire on F-16(no date given).


Sünnetçi on the event:

"I had the opportunity to learn about this firing, which took place in the second half of October, during the last week of October. This successful firing, in which a domestically developed air-to-air missile was guided by a domestic AESA radar and accurately directed to its target from an aircraft equipped with a national mission system and software, is of great importance both in terms of demonstrating the level reached by the Turkish Defense Industry and as a significant milestone in terms of the tremendous capability that will be added to the Turkish Air Force's F-16 aircraft in the near future.

The medium-range GÖKDOĞAN air-to-air missile, developed under the leadership of TÜBİTAK SAGE, was used in the firing. According to the information I have obtained, although the missile did not reach its maximum range, the target (high-speed target aircraft) detected and tracked by the MURAD-100A AESA radar was successfully hit from a considerable distance. The GÖKDOĞAN missile was successfully guided to the target detected by the MURAD-100A AESA radar and scored a direct hit on the target. For the GÖKDOĞAN BVRAAM missile to be used effectively at beyond-visual-range distances, full integration with the aircraft's Fire Control Radar and mid-course guidance support are required.

As part of the ÖZGÜR Avionics Modernization Project, the final phase, Phase IV, includes the integration of the Moving Map, Data Link, and Air-to-Air/Air-to-Ground Weapon Integration systems. This ensures the full integration of GÖKDOĞAN into the aircraft, enabling the missile to be used at maximum range and maximum effectiveness. Turkish Air Force sources were very satisfied with the performance demonstrated in tests by the X-Band MURAD-100 AESA Fire Control Radar, which has GaN-based Receiver/Transmitter Modules, despite not being used at full performance level in live-fire tests. For the MURAD-100 AESA Radar to be used at full performance, the aircraft's electrical and cooling power, as well as the mission computer (in terms of processing capacity), must have sufficient capacity.

On behalf of the Defense Industries Presidency, TÜBİTAK SAGE developed Turkey's first active radar-guided beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile, GÖKDOĞAN, under the GÖKTUĞ Project in line with the needs of the Turkish Air Force. (RF) guided beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile, GÖKDOĞAN, was successfully conducted in late October 2021 from an F-16C aircraft belonging to the 401st Test Squadron Command. As part of the test campaign, live-fire tests are expected to be conducted on the AKINCI UAV in the coming days using the MURAD-100A AESA Radar. The MURAD-100A AESA Radar was integrated into the AKINCI UAV with tail number PT-3, and its first flight was announced on March 1, 2025, following ground tests. On March 13, 2025, it was announced that during the second flight conducted with the AKINCI UAV, the MURAD Radar had achieved its first air-to-air radar lock."

 

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How is it realistically possible to modernise over 160–170 Block 40 and 50 F-16s within just two years? Logistically, this is virtually impossible. The Özgür II upgrade of the 30 or so Block 30 aircraft already demonstrates just how arduous and time-consuming the process is – even that has not yet been fully completed. At present, including prototypes and test platforms, the number of modernised aircraft is likely to be very small.
Added to this is a structural problem: Turkey does not have full access to the source codes for the Block 40 and 50 variants. Far-reaching modifications at the system, mission computer or software level are therefore only possible to a limited extent. Yet it is precisely these modifications that are essential for a comprehensive upgrade.
Against this backdrop, it seems far more realistic that only around 20 to 30 aircraft will be modernised by 2028 – perhaps 40 in the very best-case scenario. Anything beyond that currently seems more ambitious (unrealistic) than feasible.

Does anyone actually have a deeper understanding of the Özgür programme? I really hope I’m completely wrong… because if it’s just based on some PR statements or what Person XY said on Twitter or X, then it’s best to keep your distance.
 

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I know! Up until now there were vague insinuations about the use of Murad in conjunction with Gokdogan. This is the only source I came across that clearly states the successful use of Murad-100, Gokdogan and F16 Ozgur.

How is it realistically possible to modernise over 160–170 Block 40 and 50 F-16s within just two years? Logistically, this is virtually impossible. The Özgür II upgrade of the 30 or so Block 30 aircraft already demonstrates just how arduous and time-consuming the process is – even that has not yet been fully completed. At present, including prototypes and test platforms, the number of modernised aircraft is likely to be very small.
Added to this is a structural problem: Turkey does not have full access to the source codes for the Block 40 and 50 variants. Far-reaching modifications at the system, mission computer or software level are therefore only possible to a limited extent. Yet it is precisely these modifications that are essential for a comprehensive upgrade.
Against this backdrop, it seems far more realistic that only around 20 to 30 aircraft will be modernised by 2028 – perhaps 40 in the very best-case scenario. Anything beyond that currently seems more ambitious (unrealistic) than feasible.

Does anyone actually have a deeper understanding of the Özgür programme? I really hope I’m completely wrong… because if it’s just based on some PR statements or what Person XY said on Twitter or X, then it’s best to keep your distance.

I can understand your pessimism. But Aselsan has been developing and serially producing Murad in an LRIP state. They had to confirm the test results before going for full throttle serial production. The contract for Ozgur-2 covering Block 30, 40 and 50 was signed.


Also it has to be remembered that block 30 planes had to go through a structural modernisation program before becoming Ozgur. And they were the planes that the new avionics and Murad-100 was tested on. Once the integration of Radar to the new avionics is complete and successful, there is nothing holding mass production from going forward.
Ozgur means liberated. In other words, ÖZGÜR modernization project for Turkish F-16s involves significant changes to the avionics and mission computers, which directly affect the management and operational capabilities of the flight control systems. The project replaces existing mission computers with a domestic Turkish unit and integrates new Operational Flight Program software, which manages the aircraft's subsystems and weapon systems.

Turkey does not have full access to the original U.S. source codes for its F-16 Block 40 and 50 jets.
Instead, Turkey's Özgür modernization project bypasses this restriction by replacing the original US mission computer and software with an indigenous "National Mission Computer," allowing independent integration of Turkish avionics and weapons.

The Özgür Project replaces foreign-sourced mission computers and avionics with Turkish-developed systems, such as the MURAD AESA radar and flight software.
The program is designed to be compatible with Block 30, 40, and 50 aircraft.

.At least that is my understanding.
 

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The direction is right, but technically and legally it is not as ‘free’ as is often portrayed.
The F-16 Özgür II is not about completely removing and replacing the original US mission computer, but about rebalancing the architecture. Turkey is integrating its own mission computer, avionics, IFF, MF displays, EW systems and data links, and is shifting as many functions as possible – particularly sensor fusion, weapons logic, mission data and interfaces – to this national level. However, the original F-16 computer and certain core systems remain in the system for safety-critical functions – indeed, they must remain in the system (e.g. flight control, basic weapon release logic, system coordination), as they are deeply embedded within the certified overall architecture. The US would prohibit modifications to the core module entirely; this would likely breach agreements relating to the purchase/sale contract (including licensed production).
What happens in practice, therefore, is more a case of ‘decoupling through overlay’: the Turkish computer becomes the leading system for mission logic, whilst the original computer continues to perform essential, safety-critical tasks in the background – the US computer is, in effect, stripped of its authority. This achieves a very high degree of operational sovereignty (own weapons, own data, own EW logic) without having to recertify the entire platform or intervene deeply in protected core areas.
It is important to note that even though much is possible without direct US integration, the whole system remains within technical and legal boundaries (e.g. interfaces, certification, export regulations). It is therefore not a case of a complete ‘replacement without authorisation’, but rather a clever system architecture in which Turkey controls the crucial part of the combat functionality itself, whilst the original core systems continue to run as a stable foundation.
The question is how this will be resolved for the Block 40 and 50 aircraft, as the source code is required to create a bypass for the Turkish avionics and mission computer, through which the data is either relayed or passed.
 

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The question is how this will be resolved for the Block 40 and 50 aircraft, as the source code is required to create a bypass for the Turkish avionics and mission computer, through which the data is either relayed or passed
The Özgür Project replaces foreign-sourced mission computers and avionics with Turkish-developed systems, such as the MURAD AESA radar and flight software.
The program is designed to be compatible with Block 30, 40, and 50 aircraft.

Instead, Turkey's Özgür modernization project bypasses this restriction by replacing the original US mission computer and software with an indigenous "National Mission Computer," allowing independent integration of Turkish avionics and weapons.



Instead, Turkey's Özgür modernization project bypasses this restriction.

Bypassing means it is not needing original source codes! That is the whole point of “bypassing”.

Aselsan has signed under a contract worth 2 billion dollars. Do you really think they would do that if their hands were tied by US codes?

The problem I see here is the timeline. Can they produce enough avionics and Murad to furnish 160+ aircrafts?
 
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