TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Afif]

If Hurjet lives up to the expectations and good enough to be bought and use by Spain… then I don’t understand why TAF did’t procure some already…

There is an order in place for the first batch of 12 Hurjets.

 

[zio]

There is an order in place for the first batch of 12 Hurjets.

4 plus 12 total 16 order from TurAF

 

[what]

Did the new TAI CEO not say that talks are ongoing for a larger batch in his last interview?
I think he said 50.

 

[Quasar]

Did the new TAI CEO not say that talks are ongoing for a larger batch in his last interview?
I think he said 50.

we had once 88 T-38 TALON, 55 of them went through ARI modernization by TUSAŞ starting from april 2012 so yes even for the coming advance trainer variant we may need 50-55 HÜRJET just to replace current T38Ms in 121st ARI Squadron at Çiğli İzmir

https://www.tusas.com/urunler/ucak/modernizasyon/t38-ari

 

[Sanchez]

Hürjet on its ferry flight to Spain with an A400M.

24-001, and a roundel She looks beautiful with a last minute makeover.

 

[Azeri441]

24 Hurjets for 6 A400M
1 A400M costs roughly 160 million euros, so we are selling a single Hurjet for 40 million euros(43.5 million $). IMHO this is a good trade for us.

the marketing value of Hurjet being adopted by a NATO member is also priceless for Turkish aviation industry

 

[uçuyorum]

I wonder if this could lead the way for spain to collaborate on Kaan. Despite their aging harriers they have not yet comitted to purchasing F35B, although I imagine it's only a matter of time. However they have strong feelings about supporting their local industries. In the event that UK does not commit to GCAP, and FCAS is uncertain, Italy and Spain may be interested in joining Kaan as partners if we could make a good argument, allowing them their own variants of Kaan, they may be enticed, although they may just but more F35 and / or eurofighters for the time being and be done with it

 

[Nutuk]

Are these A400M's new ones or used ones?

 

[Sanchez]

Are these A400M's new ones or used ones?

They are the ones Spain ordered about 10 years ago but didn't take delivery of. They are also delayed in production due to late orders and I don't think there are unused A400Ms lying around somewhere. They will be built.

 

[Quasar]

 

[Quasar]

eventhough this is an old post guess at this point once again remembering key FEATURES/potatntial of Hürjet is important

sure I can be wrong but on AVERAGE Hürjet (13,27 deg/s) turn rate is almost as fast as a f 16 (14 deg/s) and again on AVERAGE Hürjet (45000 feet/dkk) is %90 of F 16s climb rate (50000 feet/min)

another intersting thing is eventhough Hürjet has half the range of a F 16 still it's range is 400 km more than T 7 red hawk and T 50 and it was stated that it will have air refueling capability.

 

[Sanchez]

Hürjet's 100th flight. She's gotten much more playful since we last saw her.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824404428780146936

Now waiting for the second prototype.

 

[dBSPL]

Yakovlev has unveiled a modernised variant of its Yak-130 advanced jet trainer at the Army-2024 forum, to be capable of performing light-attack missions.

New Yak-130M will be equipped with a Radar MMS-developed BRLS-130R active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, and carry an expanded range of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons. Additional systems to be integrated with the platform include the SOLT-130K electro-optical/infrared sensor, with laser designation, a KSS-130 communications suite, and President-S130 self-protection equipment, Yakovlev says. The aircraft is powered by two AI-222-25 turbofan engines, each delivering a maximum thrust of 2,500 kgf. These engines enhance the aircraft’s thrust and fuel efficiency, contributing to its high performance and extended operational range. The maximum speed without external loads is 960 km/h, while the service ceiling is 12,500 m. The maximum flight range of the is 1,610 km, but when fitted with two external fuel tanks with a capacity of 450 liters this is increased to 2,265 km. The maximum takeoff weight of the Yak-130M is 10,290 kg, maximum combat load being 2,500 kg. “The main goal of the modernisation is to expand the combat capabilities of the aircraft to increase its competitiveness in the foreign market,” Yakovlev says. It notes that the new platform will offer customers an alternative to buying “heavier and more expensive” types.

The YAK-130 technically lags behind the Hürjet system in terms of top speed, acceleration and angle of attack. However, Yakovlev, just like Korean KAI, has expanded its product segment from the advanced trainer jet to inexpensive light attack jets that can handle air-ground missions for modest and small-scale air forces. Both aircraft have enjoyed considerable success in the foreign market, and for new Yakovlev 130M, it is likely to be a variant in which countries already using the Yak-130 will certainly show interest. There are 123 of the current Yak-130 trainer model in service with the Russian air force, with the type also operated by export customers Algeria (16), Bangladesh (13), Belarus (11), Iran (2), Laos (4), Myanmar (18) and Vietnam (12).

So, some other countries' air forces that are considering becoming Hürjet users in future will expect a similar development scheme from the TAI. This is because the Hürjet's technical infrastructure and its innate abilities are highly suitable for this, at least much more than these examples...

 

[UkroTurk]

There are a lot of rivals of Hürjet . İf TUSAŞ aims export , they should promise more . Stealthy micro trainer and fighter would be great.

 

[dBSPL]

There are a lot of rivals of Hürjet . İf TUSAŞ aims export , they should promise more . Stealthy micro trainer and fighter would be great.

The development of end-to-end and intra-system communication technologies is increasingly unlocking the potential of distributed system architectures. For example, an airplane with a very modest physical payload can now fly with multiple loyal wing drones and use the systems and munitions on them with extremely high efficiency, as if the airplane itself were carrying them. In the operational scheme of a modern air force, complex systems of systems have been operating for decades, but what I am talking about is the development of artificial intelligence, decision support systems and autonomy, and the gradual sub-layering of these systems into micromanagement. If you are strong in avionics and have full access to yours combat flying platforms, with the right system architecture and doctrine, it is possible to increase the deterrence of aircraft with extremely limited physical capabilities to a previously unimaginable extent.

When I look at the Hürjet, I am always excited by the potential I see. It is not only a milestone that paves the way for the Turkish aviation industry to demonstrate that it can compete at international standards and with the most up-to-date systems, but also a project that is advancing with the requirements of an air force with strong main solution partners and high operational standards. Therefore, I am confident that the Hürjet will take part in numerous experimental studies in the coming decades, and that the product family will develop in a very strategic way over time. And maybe the last Hürjet we will see will have nothing in common with the current Hürjet except its name.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

There are unverified rumours about I Sunnetci’s statement regarding Turkey buying some of the unwanted A400M transport planes. (6 out of 7 with Germany getting the other)

There were news that S Korea was offering Spain their trainer aircraft. Spain came back with a counter offer to give them A400Ms at the 15% price of 27million dollars a piece as a swap deal.

South Korea and Spain seek deal to swap trainer jets for airlifters

The deal may involve about 50 basic and advanced trainer jets built by Korea Aerospace Industries, and four to six Airbus A400M airlifters.

www.defensenews.com

Hurjet was offered to the Spanish.
Hurjet was not brought to Farnborough, because it had to go through urgent upgrades.
Now we are hearing that Hurjet is to go to Spain.

2 x 2 = ???

Any thoughts??

Urgent upgrades don't necessarily have to have negative connotation, the urgency maybe making them in time before sending the jet for evaluation by potential customers.

 

[No Name]

I kept saying that Hurjet should have been designed to make it easy to turn it into a cheap, light stealth fighter, sort of like the Su 75, and it looks like the US is also interested in the idea.

yahoo.com air force floats light stealth fighter.

 

[TheInsider]

There is no competition to Hürjet other than T-50 and T-7. T-50 production lines are full and T-7 faces delays. M-346 is not a direct competitor to Hurjet as it is not a supersonic trainer.

I kept saying that Hurjet should have been designed to make it easy to turn it into a cheap, light stealth fighter, sort of like the Su 75, and it looks like the US is also interested in the idea.

yahoo.com air force floats light stealth fighter.

This concept won't materialize as UCAVs will dominate the light stealth fighter segment.

 

[UkroTurk]

I kept saying that Hurjet should have been designed to make it easy to turn it into a cheap, light stealth fighter, sort of like the Su 75, and it looks like the US is also interested in the idea.

yahoo.com air force floats light stealth fighter.

Nice article


Or Kızılelma should be transformed into manned

‘Light Fighter’ Concept Emerges During US Air Force Chief’s Speech at UK's Air and Space Power Association Amid NGAD’s Uncertain Future

Allvin unveiled what the Royal Aeronautical Society has later defined as a ‘notional Light Fighter concept’ while calling for a shift of the next

theaviationist.com

 

[boredaf]

Nice article


Or Kızılelma should be transformed into manned


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‘Light Fighter’ Concept Emerges During US Air Force Chief’s Speech at UK's Air and Space Power Association Amid NGAD’s Uncertain Future

Allvin unveiled what the Royal Aeronautical Society has later defined as a ‘notional Light Fighter concept’ while calling for a shift of the next

theaviationist.com

And lose every single advantage it has? Future is unmanned, there isn't a single reason to turn KE into a manned fighter, an area Baykar has no experience in, and make it bigger (because it isn't just putting a cockpit and a seat, you have to put a lot more equipment) and more expensive and spend years testing it to end up with a plane that has very low payload or much bigger than KE to have a proper payload. KE's advantage is being relatively cheap when compared to other 5th gen fighters (even if it isn't just as capable) and being unmanned it can pull manoeuvres they cannot. There isn't a single logical reason to turn it into a manned system.