TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Zafer]

Not with the flighthours training squadrons incur over time. They start sorties in early morning, fly until 4-5. spend a day close to Çiğli, you'll see at least 50-70 sorties a day every weekday, KT-1s and T-38s. Combat squadrons don't make one third of the sorties training squadrons make. No wonder 121's mascot is a bee, they are truly like working bees. If we ran the combat aircraft with similar sortie numbers, they'd reach their airframe limits within a few years.

You can invest more on the one platform you have and take every pilot and every engineer in to top shape and the plane itself with continuous development rather than losing time with special training planes and you are better off. I know it hasn't been like this so far, I can tell you that as I have my earliest picture taken with a cadet trainer decades ago but the future may be different. You will have a much larger pool of candidates to choose pilots from as planes come with simplified operation interfaces that are way easier to command and master. A smart plane may also be requiring lesser hours to train with to get into top shape. Dog fighting is to become a thing of the past too. There is a similar situation in the civilian aviation too, simplified operations until planes become fully uncrewed.

 

[bruhman]

Not with the flighthours training squadrons incur over time. They start sorties in early morning, fly until 4-5. spend a day close to Çiğli, you'll see at least 50-70 sorties a day every weekday, KT-1s and T-38s. Combat squadrons don't make one third of the sorties training squadrons make. No wonder 121's mascot is a bee, they are truly like working bees. If we ran the combat aircraft with similar sortie numbers, they'd reach their airframe limits within a few years.

This is the primary reason why separate training aircraft are a thing, airframe hours. Nobody wants to eat up precious airframe hours of big, prime combat jets.

The fact that people don't know such a basic thing and yet freely think they figured a solution the world hasnt is kinda crazy.

 

[Zafer]

This is the primary reason why separate training aircraft are a thing, airframe hours. Nobody wants to eat up precious airframe hours of big, prime combat jets.

The fact that people don't know such a basic thing and yet freely think they figured a solution the world hasnt is kinda crazy.

What is holding you from adding hours to a plane's life, it is your plane that you have made.

 

[YeşilVatan]

What is holding you from adding hours to a plane's life, it is your plane that you have made.

Financial and material limitations exist. Please stop trying to ignore them.

 

[Zafer]

Financial and material limitations exist. Please stop trying to ignore them.

You can afford that much, it is scientific development after all and can pay off greatly. It is the best investment you can invest your money in and remember how we have already progressed in that field within a short few years. You can of course add more life to a plane by simply doing parts replacement as well.

 

[Sanchez]

You can afford that much, it is scientific development after all and can pay off greatly. It is the best investment you can invest your money in and remember how we have already progressed in that field within a short few years. You can of course add more life to a plane by simply doing parts replacement as well.

Serial production is not scientific development, it's serial production. Kaan's flyaway cost will not be below 70-80 million dollars. It's lifecycle cost will at least be double if not triple that. Simple example, Canada will pay 19 billion(CAD) for acquisition of 88 F-35s, and another 53 billion for operations and sustainment over the type's lifecycle per the Canadian Parliament.

This is the gist of the issue, and even with adding a whole new type of aircraft, in the end you lower the overall costs by decreasing the number of sorties you make with your prime fighters. And to increase capability, you make your advanced trainer as close to the real thing while still keeping the costs down, and also try to export it and its armed variant for smaller countries. In the end it's win-win-win.

 

[Zafer]

Stealth increases the cost very significantly, both initially and for maintenance. Trainers are optimized for their original purpose.

You can use a non coated version of Kaan, can't you.

 

[Zafer]

Serial production is not scientific development, it's serial production.

Of course not but serial improvement of everything about it is.

 

[Zafer]

In training mode you decrease the wear and tear on the plane by limiting its high performance features.

You also need to train pilots quickly at times of pilot shortage, like we see in Ukraine.

 

[begturan]

is there any project which will involve powering Hurjet aircraft ? i think we have to develop approx 20 K lbf or we can use twin TF10000 but priority is very important because of limited time. On the other hand, we need to develop the engine of the Kaan....

TF6000/10000 for Anka3 and Kizilelma, TF35000 for Kaan. all three birds are very important projects but also Hurjet is very potantial because of low cost which attracts considerable attention in allied countries...

TEI engineers and management are under a very heavy load, I hope they will sort out these issues....

 

[Nutuk]

TEI was hinting on a surprise for IDEF 2025 but that can be TF10000. Hopefully they also work on a TF20000 (just my personal hope, no anything substantial)

 

[boredaf]

TEI was hinting on a surprise for IDEF 2025 but that can be TF10000. Hopefully they also work on a TF20000 (just my personal hope, no anything substantial)

I hope not, I wouldn't want TEI to spare a single engineer to work on anything else other than TF6/10K and TF35K. That is more than enough and projects they will power are far more important than Hürjet.

 

[Radonsider]

TEI was hinting on a surprise for IDEF 2025 but that can be TF10000. Hopefully they also work on a TF20000 (just my personal hope, no anything substantial)

That surprise is probably the mockup of TF-35k engine

 

[Nutuk]

That surprise is probably the mockup of TF-35k engine

Yes, sounds likely.

Though TF-35k is officially not from TEI but TRmotor, that's why my hope would be TF-20000

 

[Spitfire9]

I hope not, I wouldn't want TEI to spare a single engineer to work on anything else other than TF6/10K and TF35K. That is more than enough and projects they will power are far more important than Hürjet.

If an alternative to a US engine is desired for Hurjet, there are 2 potential substitutes in the pipeline

- the Indian Kaveri engine (probably producing around 75kN thrust), available possibly 2030 onwards

- the proposed ROK engine (aimed at producing similar thrust to the 98kN GE F414) available possibly around 2035

IMO Indian development is slow, haphazard and underfinanced. My info from Indian online sources is that India may opt to produce a 3000 hrs life engine because a higher quality engine would arrive too late for use in the Tejas Mk1A. Ongoing development could, however, result in a viable engine at some point in the 2030's.