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@Gessler How much chance Typhoon really got for MRFA?
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@Gessler Allegedly IAF S-400s.
Four tube canister with each tube holding a missile?
@Nilgiri what is hmmCan India Use YF-23 as the Base for its 6th Generation Aircraft?
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Can India Use YF-23 as the Base for its 6th Generation Aircraft?
YF 23 Black Widow As the world moves forward in aircraft technology, it is developing one generation of aircraft after another and e...rbt-defense.blogspot.com
@Nilgiri what is hmm
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Can India Use YF-23 as the Base for its 6th Generation Aircraft?
YF 23 Black Widow As the world moves forward in aircraft technology, it is developing one generation of aircraft after another and e...rbt-defense.blogspot.com
Even if India gets F-35 (unlikely) i am 100% sure, NGAD won’t be up for sale. Let alone becoming a joint project. Honestly, I am really surprised that you said that.
may be but facts are facts which is AMCA is still on paper whie yf23 is live example as for dynamics of deal do note beggars cant be choosers, if we cant go to russia it is bcoz we have ben forced to trade much of our strategic independence with usa for lemoa and other such deals alongside 123. in the write up i clearly said yf23 design schematics and whatever learning we can make in AMCA can be put together for developing a 6th gen jet by 2050 right on schedule to replace su30mki n hopefully by 2065 we start work on 7th gen jet without any outside help, and yes yf23 design is still relevant but was more expensive than f22 then today with advancement in tech we can bring down cost significantly. may be overach or overreach but fact is that logic says india is lagging behind so best to use any of the buy borrow steal to be at par. n yes india refused to join tempest so to expect it to join NGAD or even MiG 41 is bit too muchJust me thinking. The YF-23 is nice diamond planform and all for a 6th gen basis, but we have long way to go with AMCA maturity first before we can make any valid analysis or projection for India on 6th gen.
Also the propulsion advantages you mention it had over F-22 are things more heavily related to engine technology (India is seriously behind on) separate to anything related to the aerodynamics and stealth of the airframe. The latter are things where India has broad clean sheet capacity developed for now looking at the facilities made and employed currently for AMCA. So there is no real advantage in approaching the US on these things compared to the engine tech and all the other matters that contribute currently to the AMCA delay. Any amount of design basis the US gives on YF-23 as some starting point (within current Indian level of strategic independence) will go through the same slowness in India if these issues are not addressed first with AMCA project....and we simply have no way to tell if India will address them adequately or have to make compromises in acquiring foreign platforms wholesale, or more precise technologies and consultancy etc along the way.
If India is willing to trade off some strategic independence with the US, then we will first see that with F-35 (in next 10 years or so) and joining NGAD later anyway.
i.e I dont see the point of approaching some relatively nominal bit there (essentially the shell, which India can already do) for little guarantee of success (given the innards are the more difficult matters which come with premium for ToT)... especially if India doesn't choose to put in the heavy lifting to mature a lot more core capacities itself first.
So your analysis overarches past a lot of these issues, what exactly is the difference between a clean sheet diamond planform India can do shell wise right now (or later) compared to what the US would give (right now or later) regarding the F-23? Not very much at all.
if usa give f35 t india it will snatch away whatever strategic autonomy we still holdEven if India gets F-35 (unlikely) i am 100% sure, NGAD won’t be up for sale. Let alone becoming a joint project. Honestly, I am really surprised that you said that.
got any ther option as i said begars cant be choosersI'm using NGAD as a catch all term for the 6th gen ecosystem that the US has by then for selling/working with deemed close enough allies at that point. NGAD itself will likely be in a tier like F-22 and likely not exportable, just like I find it unlikely that India will be eager enough to fork out larger strategic independence for this anyway, not to mention the distance of time involved.
It is just hypotheticals along an already unlikely arc of some YF-23 planform side project proposal. As to side projects US and India do end up doing in this longer duration of time, that all remains to be seen and depends on how various geopolitical scenarios go.
may be but facts are facts which is AMCA is still on paper whie yf23 is live example as for dynamics of deal do note beggars cant be choosers, if we cant go to russia it is bcoz we have ben forced to trade much of our strategic independence with usa for lemoa and other such deals alongside 123. in the write up i clearly said yf23 design schematics and whatever learning we can make in AMCA can be put together for developing a 6th gen jet by 2050 right on schedule to replace su30mki n hopefully by 2065 we start work on 7th gen jet without any outside help, and yes yf23 design is still relevant but was more expensive than f22 then today with advancement in tech we can bring down cost significantly. may be overach or overreach but fact is that logic says india is lagging behind so best to use any of the buy borrow steal to be at par. n yes india refused to join tempest so to expect it to join NGAD or even MiG 41 is bit too much