Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Madokafc]

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[this is crunch]

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Cool!

 

[Parry Brima]

I should've mention this earlier, but in all honestly, I'm fine with us not being trustworthy enough for F-35. I don't even like that plane that much .

F-35 is not about dream. Who cares about dream anyway. It'll be boring stuff to talk about

Try using Lockheed Martin perspective. F-35 is one of their last weapon to beat the competition. Especially as hard as this one. How can you beat a Francophile MoD who doesn't really fancy your F-16V, and at the same time beat Boeing, plus there's another competitor for single jet aiming for your place?

Whether they'd actually use that last effort that's another matter. Probably still long way to go in all of the negotiations.

Just a sidenote, don't be like those Lockheed Martin sales and pawns who coming at full force hammering anyone who dares to say the word "VoldeF-35mort"

 

[NEKO]

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What is that box on the left fuselage, AC unit?

 

[NEKO]

F-35 is not about dream. Who cares about dream anyway. It'll be boring stuff to talk about

Try using Lockheed Martin perspective. F-35 is one of their last weapon to beat the competition. Especially as hard as this one. How can you beat a Francophile MoD who doesn't really fancy your F-16V, and at the same time beat Boeing, plus there's another competitor for single jet aiming for your place?

Whether they'd actually use that last effort that's another matter. Probably still long way to go in all of the negotiations.

Just a sidenote, don't be like those Lockheed Martin sales and pawns who coming at full force hammering anyone who dares to say the word "VoldeF-35mort"

If MoD is not interested with single engine fighter, then there will be no chance even for Gripen (that you support), F16 is still a better choice for us compared to Gripen, F35 have stealth that is quite tempting, but the F35 is harder take care and more demanding, be it $, infrastructure and logistic.

 

[Parry Brima]

If MoD is not interested with single engine fighter, then there will be no chance even for Gripen (that you support), F16 is still a better choice for us compared to Gripen, F35 have stealth that is quite tempting, but the F35 is harder take care and more demanding, be it $, infrastructure and logistic.

You're still using our "dream" perspective. This has been done countless times before. In terms of F-35 I'm much more interested to see what Lockheed Martin will do, instead of what we want

Oh btw, my hope and expectation has always been those 15 Austrian Eurofighters. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate any of the other fighters that we have in competitions. It's just like I like Typhoon a bit more

 

[archwings]

You're still using our "dream" perspective. This has been done countless times before. In terms of F-35 I'm much more interested to see what Lockheed Martin will do, instead of what we want

Oh btw, my hope and expectation has always been those 15 Austrian Eurofighters. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate any of the other fighters that we have in competitions. It's just like I like Typhoon a bit more

if you're hoping for problematic austrian typhoon, man i gotta say you have low standards

 

[Parry Brima]

if you're hoping for problematic austrian typhoon, man i gotta say you have low standards

Indeed

Anyway, considering everything, I always believe those 15 Austrian Eurofighters are our only chance to open the door to get to the advanced ones.

 

[R4duga]

Indeed

Anyway, considering everything, I always believe those 15 Austrian Eurofighters are our only chance to open the door to get to the advanced ones.

you mean get dragged into tempest project ?

 

[Parry Brima]

you mean get dragged into tempest project ?

That's too far. What I meant was more moderate like EF T4

 

[Nilgiri]

I'm just taking @trishna_amrta advice and waiting for "much later in year" for firm resolution on the pick(s)...heh

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1408524397778976770

It's finally happen huh...

 

[Gundala]

I'm just taking @trishna_amrta advice and waiting for "much later in year" for firm resolution on the pick(s)...heh

Yeah, nothing is certain until the contract is activate or first payment been made.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1408524397778976770

It's finally happen huh...

Nothing is certain, even signed contract might not proceed further (digantung) until first payment is made. Even that can be stalled like the IFX project
What might go this year or early 2022 are those plans which has been approved by Bappenas before, include but not limited to Herc transport, mrtt, etc. Those new deals are unlikely going to happen in 2022, I think its going to be active (active contract is different than signed contract fyi) in early 2023. There might be some "changes" happen in August but Im not sure how its going to effect much on current plan.

Please keep in mind that either extra fund or budget cut might happen, it all depends on economic, geopolitic, domestic politic and extra ordinary event that might or might not happen in the future. Those agreed Bappenas things might also can not go thru if the economic worsen or even govt can activate dana alokasi khusus if they see our Northers border getting extra hot (threat analyze). So lets just sit back and enjoy the show for now

 

[Umigami]

Yeah, nothing is certain until the contract is activate or first payment been made.

Nothing is certain, even signed contract might not proceed further (digantung) until first payment is made. Even that can be stalled like the IFX project
What might go this year or early 2022 are those plans which has been approved by Bappenas before, include but not limited to Herc transport, mrtt, etc. Those new deals are unlikely going to happen in 2022, I think its going to be active (active contract is different than signed contract fyi) in early 2023. There might be some "changes" happen in August but Im not sure how its going to effect much on current plan.

Please keep in mind that either extra fund or budget cut might happen, it all depends on economic, geopolitic, domestic politic and extra ordinary event that might or might not happen in the future. Those agreed Bappenas things might also can not go thru if the economic worsen or even govt can activate dana alokasi khusus if they see our Northers border getting extra hot (threat analyze). So lets just sit back and enjoy the show for now

isn't first payment for Rafale have to be paid in December this year?

 

[Lordimperator]

our Northers border getting extra hot

I just want some "thing" from the northern dragon that could be wake our people n goverment thats its crucial to modernize TNI.

 

[Gundala]

isn't first payment for Rafale have to be paid in December this year?

Lets just see what happen, there is procedure in budget system that we cant simply ignore even if that contract is already signed (afaik it hasnt). Keep in mind its a "full" contract that Im talking about. Not the prelimenary nor LOI.

I just want some "thing" from the northern dragon that could be wake our people n goverment thats its crucial to modernize TNI.

It already happening, some we see in media and some we dont. That approved USD20 bil until 2024 is one of the result and before that even officially announced, couple of months ago I heard certain numbers from that total platform that need to be spend in a year. Tho its just hear say but it kinda surprise me in how we going to spend certain amount without even have conformation from bappenas and kemenkeu? But then Bappenas offcially say it, fremm announced the initial contract agreemant in days before Bappenas, even Rafale local media announced before fremm deals. So yeah its all been done beforehand and all those announcement is just a "follow up" on whats been done in a close door domestically.

Now if those dream buy we going to have is really happening then the ball will be in TNI/Matra court. Are they going to be able to prepare sufficient infrastructure, human resource, etc to reach decent amount of time for those assets reach FOC? They will surely need more yearly budget for it

 

[Ravager]

Lets just see what happen, there is procedure in budget system that we cant simply ignore even if that contract is already signed (afaik it hasnt). Keep in mind its a "full" contract that Im talking about. Not the prelimenary nor LOI.

It already happening, some we see in media and some we dont. That approved USD20 bil until 2024 is one of the result and before that even officially announced, couple of months ago I heard certain numbers from that total platform that need to be spend in a year. Tho its just hear say but it kinda surprise me in how we going to spend certain amount without even have conformation from bappenas and kemenkeu? But then Bappenas offcially say it, fremm announced the initial contract agreemant in days before Bappenas, even Rafale local media announced before fremm deals. So yeah its all been done beforehand and all those announcement is just a "follow up" on whats been done in a close door domestically.

Now if those dream buy we going to have is really happening then the ball will be in TNI/Matra court. Are they going to be able to prepare sufficient infrastructure, human resource, etc to reach decent amount of time for those assets reach FOC? They will surely need more yearly budget for it

And all our discussion here going back to the square one lol . But , the optimism side of me pray that it would've been prepared in the next budget revision of the said approved one .

 

[trishna_amrta]

I should've mention this earlier, but in all honestly, I'm fine with us not being trustworthy enough for F-35. I don't even like that plane that much .

We don't even have the necessary supporting infrastructure to operate them anyway. In fact, we don't even have the necessary infrastructure for a major (regional) commercial data centre.

 

[Madokafc]

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[archwings]

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if we are indeed getting the f-15, i don't think we are granted the EX version. the furthest we can get probably the qatari version.