Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[Umigami]

If you intend to kill some tree kangaroo then its quite effective. But when you intend to hit whatever it is underneath those tree canopy, then you need something heavier

Like this?

M-48 76mm : Meriam Gunung Yon Armed TNI AD

Bagi Anda yang biasa memperhatikan alutsista milik TNI, seyogyanya mengenal jenis meriam yang satu ini. Punya bentuk relatif mungil dan sering dipamerkan dalam setiap defile satuan artileri medan (armed) TNI AD, ya inilah meriam M-48 kaliber 76mm, atau persisnya 76,2mm. Meriam ini termasuk...

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[trishna_amrta]

Like this?

M-48 76mm : Meriam Gunung Yon Armed TNI AD

Bagi Anda yang biasa memperhatikan alutsista milik TNI, seyogyanya mengenal jenis meriam yang satu ini. Punya bentuk relatif mungil dan sering dipamerkan dalam setiap defile satuan artileri medan (armed) TNI AD, ya inilah meriam M-48 kaliber 76mm, atau persisnya 76,2mm. Meriam ini termasuk...

www.indomiliter.com

Heavier doesn't always mean it's bigger. It's could also be smaller but faster such as .50 or bigger but slower such as 250 lbs. It's about penetrating the tree canopy

 

[this is crunch]

If you intend to kill some tree kangaroo then its quite effective. But when you intend to hit whatever it is underneath those tree canopy, then you need something heavier

Heavier huh, hmmmm

The key word:
small but highly effective
can be air dropped
(must) cheap

i see, why don't we use Chem weapon, after we locate the hostiles, we drop only one gas cylinders (mustard gas or chlorine gas), it would spread very quickly and disabled them,
or if the International forbids it, just drop 'em a bunch of tear gasses from above, and the soldiers below attacks 'em
or even of publically forbids it, drop them tabung elpiji instead, cheap and effective

the Kaboom will be beautiful

 

[JATOSINT]

Personally I'm confuse as how that going to be tactically useful

I don't know the exact name of the system but it looks safer and more comfortable than STABO

 

[JATOSINT]

Heavier huh, hmmmm

The key word:
small but highly effective
can be air dropped
(must) cheap

i see, why don't we use Chem weapon, after we locate the hostiles, we drop only one gas cylinders (mustard gas or chlorine gas), it would spread very quickly and disabled them,
or if the International forbids it, just drop 'em a bunch of tear gasses from above, and the soldiers below attacks 'em
or even of publically forbids it, drop them tabung elpiji instead, cheap and effective

the Kaboom will be beautiful

Chem Weapon? Seriously? It is not even worth a discussion

 

[this is crunch]

Chem Weapon? Seriously? It is not even worth a discussion

alright so no gas talk, nvm
im not taking that gas seriously

 

[Van Kravchenko]

And yes ... Terrain familiriaty were always hampered our boys for good add that with an abysmall logistical flow and availability it
was a perfect recipe for disaster . And yet , compared to the spoiled US army guy in the afghan highland . our boys are tougher , meaner and always had a make do attitudes

minigun and rocket armed NBell 412 would do the trick just fine. Now if only we can sprinkle more armed drone to monitor and listen to them and send them back to God almighty (if situation permit) that would be even better

Perhaps that is what i mean, with eye tracking from the sky, the infantry swept forward wiithout need to do hard stuff about tracking the Terorrist.

Fixed wing is better suited for COIN role. One can always hear an approaching helo further than approaching fix wing. Not to mention fixed wing generally have longer loitering time and faster to reach target

You can't shoot something that you can't see

If you intend to kill some tree kangaroo then its quite effective. But when you intend to hit whatever it is underneath those tree canopy, then you need something heavier

Heavier doesn't always mean it's bigger. It's could also be smaller but faster such as .50 or bigger but slower such as 250 lbs. It's about penetrating the tree canopy

I get it i get it, send them Freedom in 250 lbs package right.

But what aircraft? So far only sutuc are listed to fully capable to do COIN mission.

And perhaps the *Terms and conditions are so complicated to deliver Freedom in 250 lbs parcel
Unless we can do covert operation with no one knows especially.

But hey, it will come at hi price

 

[Ravager]

Perhaps that is what i mean, with eye tracking from the sky, the infantry swept forward wiithout need to do hard stuff about tracking the Terorrist.







I get it i get it, send them Freedom in 250 lbs package right.

But what aircraft? So far only sutuc are listed to fully capable to do COIN mission.

And perhaps the *Terms and conditions are so complicated to deliver Freedom in 250 lbs parcel
Unless we can do covert operation with no one knows especially.

But hey, it will come at hi price

Eyes on the ground were always a neccesity . Between target confirmation , eyes and ears for a higher echelons but most importantly as a definite marker inside the contested area .
The only problem is not everybody are meant nor trained for that lonely and ardous job . Between combat fatigues and morale degradation that surely diminishing the troop's concerntation focus in the long tour . That's why most of US army are strict with their 3 monthly rotational tour .
But , do we have that much tiered 1 soldier ?? For a deep infiltration patrol /LRRP a para raider recon/Tontaipur was the minimum requirement here ...

 

[Madokafc]

Perhaps that is what i mean, with eye tracking from the sky, the infantry swept forward wiithout need to do hard stuff about tracking the Terorrist.







I get it i get it, send them Freedom in 250 lbs package right.

But what aircraft? So far only sutuc are listed to fully capable to do COIN mission.

And perhaps the *Terms and conditions are so complicated to deliver Freedom in 250 lbs parcel
Unless we can do covert operation with no one knows especially.

But hey, it will come at hi price

Everything in our inventory can be used for COIN ops though, from Cessna, Mi35, Bell 412 EP, CN212, Fennec,Bo105, Caracal, CN235 etc. as long as we are creative enough, bold enough and resolved to do so. There is thing like rocket pods, Gun Pod already in our inventory and warehouse, at least i had known DISLITBANG TNI AU had developed roller bombs rack to dropped Mk82 families from our CN235 or Hercules cargo bay.

 

[Madokafc]

Dislitbang TNI AD testing new model vest armor/plate Carrier which had been equipped with fast release bag, mich model helmet and plate armor, they are in standard with level IIIA stanag

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Everything in our inventory can be used for COIN ops though, from Cessna, Mi35, Bell 412 EP, CN212, Fennec,Bo105, Caracal, CN235 etc. as long as we are creative enough, bold enough and resolved to do so. There is thing like rocket pods, Gun Pod already in our inventory and warehouse, at least i had known DISLITBANG TNI AU had developed roller bombs rack to dropped Mk82 families from our CN235 or Hercules cargo bay.

Am so tired with soldiers die in Papua regions due to terorrist attack.

Lates footage show conventional drone could capture the terorrist movement, what more am thinking is if conventional dron works, why wouldnt we employ such more capable drone with FLIR to locate the terorrist location; this will be more easy if we have "Bayraktar-like" UAV.

not to mention, all of TNI flying asset are capable to support COIN operation. But that is too much expensive.
Not to mention so much helo crash in papuan region.

 

[Captain Wales]

Dislitbang TNI AD testing new model vest armor/plate Carrier which had been equipped with fast release bag, mich model helmet and plate armor, they are in standard with level IIIA stanag

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thank god it not black,

hmm, broken nvg mount. that quite harsh testing they done over there.
im surprise they didn't go with the level IV, as far as i know j-force have level IV helmet/body armor on their catalogue.

anyone know what quick release system is that? that not look like first spear tube quick release that they usually use on their product

 

[trishna_amrta]

Perhaps that is what i mean, with eye tracking from the sky, the infantry swept forward wiithout need to do hard stuff about tracking the Terorrist.

Its called "Persistence Surveillance". These days such capability can be attained by the use of commercially available industrial grade drone

But what aircraft? So far only sutuc are listed to fully capable to do COIN mission.

What elseWe already have this :

It times to put them into good use, rather than just flying around over my head while I was taking my smoke break every 10 days or so

And perhaps the *Terms and conditions are so complicated to deliver Freedom in 250 lbs parcel
Unless we can do covert operation with no one knows especially.

But hey, it will come at hi price

Buy American, Hire American. #MAGA

ooch wait that doesn't sound right. dang... what forum is this again? Its seem I'm in the wrong forum. Going to head over there to the Free Market loving #MAGA folk forum

 

[trishna_amrta]

But , do we have that much tiered 1 soldier ?? For a deep infiltration patrol /LRRP a para raider recon/Tontaipur was the minimum requirement here ...

KOPASSUS have such unit & capability

 

[trishna_amrta]

Dislitbang TNI AD testing new model vest armor/plate Carrier which had been equipped with fast release bag, mich model helmet and plate armor, they are in standard with level IIIA stanag

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Look overly complicated to me. But then again Army boys have a different requirement. Personally I prefer quick release of the vest (plate carrier). You can always drop (release) your ruck pretty damn easy even when underwater

 

[Ravager]

KOPASSUS have such unit & capability

For a prolonged duration .. i don't think so . Thanks god para raider start to pick the training regime for a LRRP burden these day .

 

[schuimpjes]

Buy American, Hire American. #MAGA

ooch wait that doesn't sound right. dang... what forum is this again? Its seem I'm in the wrong forum. Going to head over there to the Free Market loving #MAGA folk forum

Ooo dang.... If I'm a conservative in US, I will surely on anti-QAnon Liz Cheney's Republican side. Instead of "America First" My slogan will be Adam Kinzinger "Country First" Wkwk

One of the Adam Kinzinger's Republican. Sadly he was lost for Congress.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Its called "Persistence Surveillance". These days such capability can be attained by the use of commercially available industrial grade drone


What elseWe already have this :

It times to put them into good use, rather than just flying around over my head while I was taking my smoke break every 10 days or so


Buy American, Hire American. #MAGA

ooch wait that doesn't sound right. dang... what forum is this again? Its seem I'm in the wrong forum. Going to head over there to the Free Market loving #MAGA folk forum

And make sure that Tucano got hi-sounding Siren; which can make traumatic effect like stuka Was


I know you're trump supporters but ya know, murica is little sensitive towards Human Rights :v

But still my opinion to use UCAV + Loitering munition is the best option.

Last engagement using M134 Mini Brrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttt...... Seems ok, perhaps HR activist didnt mind as long as the weapon didnt go Boom boom

 

[Van Kravchenko]

For a prolonged duration .. i don't think so . Thanks god para raider start to pick the training regime for a LRRP burden these day .

Today regular infantry has "Raider" capability, although its only basic training.

IMHO eventhough Para raider capability infantry were deployed, without proper logistic it will be a nightmare.

For now, time span of 4 weeks in the jungle can be considered as the maximum combat effectifness for a soldier.

 

[Var Dracon]

thank god it not black,

hmm, broken nvg mount. that quite harsh testing they done over there.
im surprise they didn't go with the level IV, as far as i know j-force have level IV helmet/body armor on their catalogue.

anyone know what quick release system is that? that not look like first spear tube quick release that they usually use on their product

Is the level NIJ standard or STANAG standard? The Dislitbang armor used STANAG standard. J-Forces as far as I know uses NIJ standard.